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@haq | 9 February 12 | |
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@ junaid23 - 8.02.12 - 03:15am U keep misqouting Al Khui so no wonder u misquoting Muhamad Taqi al hakim aswell, as i said and prove frm shia sources that Quran in single volume exist at the era of Prophet Muhamad s.A.w and its descriptions were also exist in book form which unfortunately burned by uthman just to create division and hatred amongs muslims...As uthman followed the policy of divide and rule, as now its crystal clear that Quran was no way near danger bcoz of those descriptions as blabbing by suni ulema Lol lol that quote is crystal clear and 'al hakim answer is crystal clear for all to see!!! Again more ramblings of a madman with no proofs.... In an Islamic state u would get lashed for creating mischief in deen! Bring proofs even from your own sources ! |
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@junaid23 | 9 February 12 | |
@ haq - 9.02.12 - 08:47am Lol how did Khui reject it?There is no evaluation of this Hadith in Khui's 'bayan'!!! The hadiths u quoted p12-14 are Khui's evaluation of arguments of those who claim tehrif which he rejected! See how u get mislead by dodgy websites without recourse to the actual books?!! Khui was among those Shia ulema who were against tehrif,I believe u don't even know which of your ulema supported your view! have given u direct quotes from Khui himself! Thats nothing but your misunderstanding about Al Khui, as he himself rejected the fake story regarding COLLECTION of Quran created by late Sunni scholar i.e bukhari in his sahe chapter 'jamul Quran' where bukhari quote contradicting hadiths as mentioned by Al Khui |
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@junaid23 | 9 February 12 | |
@ haq - 9.02.12 - 08:59am Lol so we had books of tafsir ul Quran available before the Holy Quran?! Did Rasullulah(saw) compile a tafsir? Is there any proof that He(saw) commanded any single sahibi to compile it? No cos they were their own personal copies which they compiled of their own accord and the Prophet(saw) allowed them to! U know your view isn't supported by any of your own ulema. The two camps of Shia 1) no tehrif (decrease/increase of ayahs) in Quran 2) tehrif in Quran (decrease/increase of ayahs) Thats your contradicting faith that Quran was collected frm different musahfs of various sahabas which were different frm each other i have nothing to do with such believe, as i said collection of Quran was a fake story, re-read i already quote tradition frm Bihar ul Anwar which is a prove how Quran was compiled in the presence of Prophet s.A.w in single volume, and dat tradition made fake story of collection of Quran nu |
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@junaid23 | 9 February 12 | |
@ haq - 9.02.12 - 09:11am Party 1) is Khui's camp and they said increases in Ali's Quran are interpretations and not actual ayahs (see above quote). Party 2) said they are actual ayahs in Ali's Quran thus claimed tehrif (as-sayrafi 'at-tahrif wat-tabdil'). Point is noone claimed them as tafsirs cos the concept of tafsir wasn't developed. Besides you in your extremism don't realise that even if they were tafsirs meant for the general Muslims then the need would be greater for a Quran exclusively containing solely t Tafsir is an arabic word and in english it translate as interpretations or description, and dats ur assumption dat tafsir of Quran was exist b4 the actual Quran was compiled!!! I have nothing to do with ur assumption as i proved Quran was compiled in single volume in the presence of Prophet Muhamad s.A.w, and not after him demise therefore descriptions were done frm the actual Quran which was exist in single volume b4 ev |
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@junaid23 | 9 February 12 | |
@ haq - 9.02.12 - 09:19am Lol lol that quote is crystal clear and 'al hakim answer is crystal clear for all to see!!! Again more ramblings of a madman with no proofs.... In an Islamic state u would get lashed for creating mischief in deen! Bring proofs even from your own sources ! I have already provided you the proves, even you did admit that you are agree with my provided evidence i.e hadith al thaqalayn and tradition frm Bihar ul anwar which proves Quran were compiled by Prophet s.A.w with the help of IMAM ALI A.S and Quran was exist in single volume, yet you gv contradicting arguement that it was compiled by abu bkr and his team |
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@haq | 9 February 12 | |
Lol confused little mind. My advice to u is just concentrate on your 5 pillars cos u haven't the capacity or scope of understanding and websites are dangerous to simple minds. Topic closed!
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@urvoice1 | 9 February 12 | |
well said sir.
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@junaid23 | 10 February 12 | |
@ haq - 9.02.12 - 10:48pm Lol confused little mind. My advice to u is just concentrate on your 5 pillars cos u haven't the capacity or scope of understanding and websites are dangerous to simple minds. Topic closed! You need to work out ur advise first as you keep misquoting Al Khui, even you contradict with ur arguements exactly in the same way as bukhari narrate contradictory traditions in his Sahe bukhari chapter Jamul Quran, which clearly proves the quran in single volume prepared by abu bkr's team was incomplete and uthman's team were make that quran complete while the truth is Quran in single volume exist at the era of Prophet Muhamad s.A.w |
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