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@alvar89 | 1 March 17 | |
@ manszar - 1.03.17 - 04:17am again you fall into falsehood because of your desire for it to be so,, Hebrews 1:8 claims it is god saying this, but if you read Psalm 45 which this is quoted from its clear it is not God saying it at all The psalm 45 was a prophetic song singed in Spirit later on explained by the author of Hebrews. Its also clear in psalm 110 it says Lord said to my Lord etc backing up the claim by Hebrews author. |
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@alvar89 | 1 March 17 | |
@ halman - 1.03.17 - 08:56am The term god in the Bible is used for more than the Creator. It is used for powerful ones with authority.. men..angels..false gods and idols.. Satan himself as a false god.. and even the belly ie.greed... The Word is A god or godlike one... divine is also used in translations. However in John 1:1 the Word is not the Almighty since the Word is WITH God. And only TWO persons are mentioned not three. Manszar is correct on the point of Jesus having a God...since God cannot have a God. But alvar is also correct on prophecy in Isaiah. However, Jesus will bring peace when the End comes and becomes everlasting father by giving everlasting life to obedient ones. Prophecy is still ongoing and more to be fulfilled... In isaiah God said there were no Gods before or will be none after Him. John is clear on saying the Word is God and the Word became Flesh a man named Jesus who demonstrated sonship under the Father above for a special reason. He made Him known. Father had no problem lifting up His Son to the Highest and making everyone submit to Him. The Son is from the Fathers own being. |
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@alvar89 | 1 March 17 | |
@ halman - 1.03.17 - 09:08am As for translations that have Jesus saying I AM in capital letters.. that is biased trinitarians trying to make Jesus saying what he does not. Jesus is saying he EXISTED before Abraham did. The context shows that. He isn't saying I AM THAT I AM in translations that use this wording in Exodus. The name of God is Jehovah and the name Jesus means Jehovah Is Salvation. Jesus is latinized from the Greek Iesous.. which in turn is translated from the Hebrew Yeshua or Yehoshua. Translate Yeshua to English and it's Joshua... Jesus is not God as in the Almighty God..but a powerful mighty one with authority GIVEN him by Jehovah God the Almighty. Trinity has it's roots in Babylonish religion going back to Nimrod and his mother/wife and son. A triad. The trinity is false and was developed over centuries in the apostate church system ... The scriptures are translated openly and up to be questioned but what about JW's modified translation? Who on what basis altered it? Those conspiracy theoris are up there with the illuminaty stuff to be honest. The translations are always monitored and preserved in manuscript tradition using also the oldest ones that are being found. You are basically saying it was rigged from the beginning to make that claim. You do know that right? |
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@alvar89 | 1 March 17 | |
Halman you seem to be referring to the muhammads understanding of the trinity mother, father and son that was practiced by catholics. We know that muhammad was wrong on what the trinity teaches and now we see you are also. JW modified the parts in there bible that were used to prove there organisations theology wrong. Is that not convenient?
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@halman | 2 March 17 | |
@ alvar89 - 1.03.17 - 10:23am Halman you seem to be referring to the muhammads understanding of the trinity mother, father and son that was practiced by catholics. We know that muhammad was wrong on what the trinity teaches and now we see you are also. JW modified the parts in there bible that were used to prove there organisations theology wrong. Is that not convenient? You are incorrect alvar. Trinity is plainly pagan and absorbed by apostate churches. As for the NWT being modified..it is the most accurate translation going. Perhaps you should speak to those who take God's name out of the Bible and replace with Lord or God. Trinity and it's sister Modalism/Sabelianism are false teachings. Now I'm not here to debate. I post so that others looking in may think about it and look for themselves at www.jw.org... Jehovah is ONE person not three... Again, the use of the word god is not confined to the Creator. |
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@halman | 3 March 17 | |
@ alvar89 - 1.03.17 - 10:14am In isaiah God said there were no Gods before or will be none after Him. John is clear on saying the Word is God and the Word became Flesh a man named Jesus who demonstrated sonship under the Father above for a special reason. He made Him known. Father had no problem lifting up His Son to the Highest and making everyone submit to Him. The Son is from the Fathers own being. The Word is A god or godlike one or divine. Not a creator or co creator. Plus don't forget God cannot have a God. MY GOD and your God Jesus said when risen and telling Mary Magdalene to speak to his brothers what he was saying... John 20:17... MY GOD 4 times in Revelation 3:12.. As for Thomas saying My lord and my god.. that is an exclamation and also may refer to Jesus' authority. After all Jesus refuted the Jews' claims in John 10: 34 to 36... He quotes Psalm 82:6.. where God Himself uses the term gods when addressing Israelite judges.... |
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@halman | 3 March 17 | |
@ alvar89 - 1.03.17 - 10:19am The scriptures are translated openly and up to be questioned but what about JW's modified translation? Who on what basis altered it? Those conspiracy theoris are up there with the illuminaty stuff to be honest. The translations are always monitored and preserved in manuscript tradition using also the oldest ones that are being found. You are basically saying it was rigged from the beginning to make that claim. You do know that right? Translations need to be as accurate and understandable in the target language. As for rigged... if you mean I AM .. that is bias trying to link Jesus as being Jehovah. |
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@halman | 3 March 17 | |
@ alvar89 - 1.03.17 - 10:23am Halman you seem to be referring to the muhammads understanding of the trinity mother, father and son that was practiced by catholics. We know that muhammad was wrong on what the trinity teaches and now we see you are also. JW modified the parts in there bible that were used to prove there organisations theology wrong. Is that not convenient? Nothing convenient about it. We know about claims ones make... Again those looking in who wish to know more.. go to www.jw.org |
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@alvar89 | 3 March 17 | |
@ halman - 2.03.17 - 11:47pm You are incorrect alvar. Trinity is plainly pagan and absorbed by apostate churches. As for the NWT being modified..it is the most accurate translation going. Perhaps you should speak to those who take God's name out of the Bible and replace with Lord or God. Trinity and it's sister Modalism/Sabelianism are false teachings. Now I'm not here to debate. I post so that others looking in may think about it and look for themselves at www.jw.org... Jehovah is ONE person not three... Again, the use of the word god is not confined to the Creator. Who where the scribes translating the nwt? If you know so certainly that it is corrupt then tell us when was it altered by paganism? The name Adonai aka Lord is no harm in the text. If your organisation is so good at translating why do you still use that false translation of Gods name? |
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@alvar89 | 3 March 17 | |
@ halman - 3.03.17 - 12:05am The Word is A god or godlike one or divine. Not a creator or co creator. Plus don't forget God cannot have a God. MY GOD and your God Jesus said when risen and telling Mary Magdalene to speak to his brothers what he was saying... John 20:17... MY GOD 4 times in Revelation 3:12.. As for Thomas saying My lord and my god.. that is an exclamation and also may refer to Jesus' authority. After all Jesus refuted the Jews' claims in John 10: 34 to 36... He quotes Psalm 82:6.. where God Himself uses the term gods when addressing Israelite judges.... Divine or god with a small g still means God especially for someone who has been inside Gods being from the start. |
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