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@halman | 1 March 17 | |
The term god in the Bible is used for more than the Creator. It is used for powerful ones with authority.. men..angels..false gods and idols.. Satan himself as a false god.. and even the belly ie.greed... The Word is A god or godlike one... divine is also used in translations. However in John 1:1 the Word is not the Almighty since the Word is WITH God. And only TWO persons are mentioned not three. Manszar is correct on the point of Jesus having a God...since God cannot have a God. But alvar is also correct on prophecy in Isaiah. However, Jesus will bring peace when the End comes and becomes everlasting father by giving everlasting life to obedient ones. Prophecy is still ongoing and more to be fulfilled...
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@halman | 1 March 17 | |
As for translations that have Jesus saying I AM in capital letters.. that is biased trinitarians trying to make Jesus saying what he does not. Jesus is saying he EXISTED before Abraham did. The context shows that. He isn't saying I AM THAT I AM in translations that use this wording in Exodus. The name of God is Jehovah and the name Jesus means Jehovah Is Salvation. Jesus is latinized from the Greek Iesous.. which in turn is translated from the Hebrew Yeshua or Yehoshua. Translate Yeshua to English and it's Joshua... Jesus is not God as in the Almighty God..but a powerful mighty one with authority GIVEN him by Jehovah God the Almighty. Trinity has it's roots in Babylonish religion going back to Nimrod and his mother/wife and son. A triad. The trinity is false and was developed over centuries in the apostate church system ...
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@alvar89 | 1 March 17 | |
@ manszar - 1.03.17 - 04:18am all this has been debunked already Your inconsistent speculations have not debunked anything tho. |
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@alvar89 | 1 March 17 | |
@ manszar - 1.03.17 - 04:19am do you think that is jesus or just God talking to them? You know that the trinitarians believe that Jesus and the Father are not the same person but are one in essence and will. So why do you go back to using those false views on it and still talk like you havent read one bit of what i have said here in a couple of years You are obviously not here to find out what it teaches rather stood on your speculations for years as ultimate. Your views are very inconsistent and have been proven by this post. You Ignored the questions with dodging them. I asked you things like who was this child the prophecy in Isaiah was talking about and was the Holy Spirit written as a person or power for example. No straight answers to any of it. The one who became Jesus obviously had a personality and talked about His time before He became a human. You still hold a position that it was a man that got a word from God. So i asked were other prophets the only begotten sons also then who got the word from God and you did not answer. |
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@alvar89 | 1 March 17 | |
@ manszar - 1.03.17 - 04:23am what was gods name given to the jews? YHWH said to be I AM Ego Eimi in Greek the same word Jesus used. |
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@alvar89 | 1 March 17 | |
@ manszar - 1.03.17 - 03:06am John 8:17 In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two witnesses is true,, I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me. ,,,,,, jesus himself says they are two John 15:26When the Advocate comes, whom I will send you from the Father the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father He will testify about Me. So what about Him? Also not God? |
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@alvar89 | 1 March 17 | |
The bible talks about Father, Son and Holy Spirit and is clear they are ONE God so your claim the tinity being man made is useless as nomatter what theology you come up with and name it whatever you want it according to scripture shows God revealed Himself as 3 persons.
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@alvar89 | 1 March 17 | |
@ manszar - 1.03.17 - 03:12am and like i said So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. who was the female? the father the son or the holy ghost? God created Adam first and took Eve from him. If you look deeper into the text and its meaning you might find it is not just talking about physical image rather much more. Jesus was said to be the Image as in His personality of doing what is good and so was Adam when God created him very good as written in the beginning. Also involved leadership on this earth as Adam got. You still fail to see there was 1 God creating there that talked like there is many in Him. Your assumptions that men believed in other gods does not belong here because those false gods did not have any power to create or either were they favoured by the Creator. Moses was not a polytheist also writing that as he said God is 1 and that that God created everything. |
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@alvar89 | 1 March 17 | |
@ manszar - 1.03.17 - 03:54am you keep repeating the same nonsense, jesus was not called Immanuel neither was he called Wonderful Counsellor or The mighty God or The everlasting Father, or The Prince of Peace. jesus did not bring peace at all. How many titles and praise names did God the Father have? This was all pointing to exactly what Jesus was God with us aka Immanuel. Its simple really. |
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@alvar89 | 1 March 17 | |
@ manszar - 1.03.17 - 03:48am so now you want to ignore those two as they say nothing of the second coming and are both men born of this earth. and leap to somthing else, how typical, do you understand now what you have said before, that you can make anything look to be true using different bible verses, or something like that If i read about the Messiach being cut off as in killed and also read His Kingdom is everlasting i presume He was to return. Also the resurrection part you ignore ppl believed in was coming so. There always was 2 sides first a child who was to be born and then a Son of Man coming in power from above. It is really plain and obvious and it is the reason those books are put together and believed to be teaching so. |
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