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@xfrankie | 18 August 17 | |
abound more and more, with KNOWLEDGE and All Discernment'
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@xfrankie | 23 August 17 | |
Jeremiah 29:11? For i know the plans i have for you, declares the Lord, plans to prosper you and not to harm, plans to give you hope and a future Its called the most abused verse in the Bible. An excerpt from https://www.gty.org/library/blog/B150925/frequently-abused-verses-did-god-promise-you-prosperity Its the go-to-verse for many prosperity preachers, such as Joel Osteen, Joyce Meyer, Rick Warren also typifies that me-centric approach in his book, The Purpose-Driven Life: If you have felt hopeless, hold on! Wonderful changes are going to happen in your life as you begin to live it on purpose. God says, I know what I am planning for you. . . . I have good plans for you, not plans to hurt you. I will give you hope and a good future. They give zero acknowledgment to the Authors original intent nor original audience when the verse is ripped from its original setting Reading Jeremiah 29:11 IN CONTEXT The Nation of Israel had been taken into Captivity by the Babylonians, The Temple, the Entire Jerusalem city was in ruins, their king in chains with his eyes gouged out, the nation of Israel desolate, In the mist of that God speaks through His Prophet Jeremiah Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, to all the exiles whom I have sent into exile from Jerusalem to Babylon, Build houses and live in them; and plant gardens and eat their produce. Take wives and become the fathers of sons and daughters, and take wives for your sons and give your daughters to husbands, that they may bear sons and daughters; and multiply there and do not decrease. Seek the welfare of the city where I have sent you into exile, and pray to the Lord on its behalf; for in its welfare you will have welfare. For thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, Do not let your prophets who are in your midst and your diviners deceive you, and do not listen to the dreams which they dream. For they prophesy falsely |
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@xfrankie | 23 August 17 | |
prophesy falsely to you in My name; I have not sent them, declares the Lord. For thus says the Lord, When seventy years have been completed for Babylon, I will visit you and fulfill My good word to you, to bring you back to this place. For I know the plans that I have for you, declares the Lord, plans for welfare and not for calamity to give you a future and a hope. Then you will call upon Me and come and pray to Me, and I will listen to you. You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. I will be found by you, declares the Lord, and I will restore your fortunes and will gather you from all the nations and from all the places where I have driven you, declares the Lord, and I will bring you back to the place from where I sent you into exile. Because you have said, The Lord has raised up prophets for us in Babylonfor thus says the Lord concerning the king who sits on the throne of David, and concerning all the people who dwell in this city, your brothers who did not go with you into exilethus says the Lord of hosts, Behold, I am sending upon them the sword, famine and pestilence, and I will make them like split-open figs that cannot be eaten due to rottenness. I will pursue them with the sword, with famine and with pestilence; and I will make them a terror to all the kingdoms of the earth, to be a curse and a horror and a hissing, and a reproach among all the nations where I have driven them, because they have not listened to My words, declares the Lord, which I sent to them again and again by My servants the prophets; but you did not listen, declares the Lord. You, therefore, hear the word of the Lord, all you exiles, whom I have sent away from Jerusalem to Babylon. (Jeremiah 29:420) In context, verse 11 is clearly not meant as a love letter or a promise of blessing to individual believers in the twenty-first century. And here are a few other points to consider: How do J |
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@xfrankie | 23 August 17 | |
And here are a few other points to consider: How do Joel Osteen, Andy Stanley, and Rick Warren know that God is directly speaking to their congregants in verse 11 but not in Jeremiah 29:1719, where God promises to send the sword, famine and pestilence? Have they considered that Gods soothing promises in verse 11 are delivered to Israel while He has His foot on their neck in judgment (Jeremiah 29:4)? What about the fact that those who received the promise in verse 11 would likely not live to experience its fulfillment seventy years later (Jeremiah 29:10). And in their egotistical exegesis, can they grasp the irony that Israel was in Babylonian slavery because they listened to prophets who tickled their ears (Jeremiah 29:89)? There is something far greater and eternally significant that we learn from this story in its true context. God does not abandon His people! In spite of their sin, God was relentlessly faithful to His covenants regarding Israels future and His promised Messiah. Not even Babylonian captivity could prevent His promises from coming to pass. Likewise His promises to us as New Testament believers concerning our calling and election are also unshakeable (John 10:2729). And they provide far more lasting comfort than Old Testament verses plucked out of context and misappropriated for modern audiences. |
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@xfrankie | 26 August 17 | |
For where two or three are gathered in My Name, there I am amongst them Matt. 18:20? Its nearly part of every prayer meeting right as an assurance that the Lord is present right there in our midst. Or that where two or three agree on something in prayer, and ask God for it, its is approved Suffice to say its misuse of a verse. God is OMNIPRESENT, Every Present Every where, All the Time, secondly the restriction is two or three witnesses, what about four or five, further God says in John anything you ask in My Name, 1 John 5:14-15, no need to be two or three The Context in Matthew begins with an errant believer, and the role of the church in bringing such to correction, in essence CHURCH DISCIPLINE. A brother that sins against you, first go to him and try to work it out. If that fails, bring one or two witnesses to try resolve the tension. (hence including you, that would make TWO or THREE witnessess) a pararell of legal proceedings found in OT Deu 19:15 If that fails, he is brought before the Church, for correction, if that fails, he is to be thrown out of the Church, So where 2 or 3 are gathered in agreement, what agreement? disciplining an errant brother, ...there I am with you... Meaning, I agree with you, its My approval as well, it is the Approval of God in respect to the decision reached with respect to that the matter of the sinning brother |
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@xfrankie | 31 August 17 | |
Creation? 6 days or 13 Billion years? Dr. Jason Lisle, astrophysicist, calls it the most attacked book of Bible, The Book of Genesis, and rightly so. man's ideologies, (yes including the distortion of evolution) serve one singular purpose, puts itself up against the Word of God to draw man away from His Creator. Astrophysics/Science estimates the universe to be about 13 Billion years old, along with Evolutionary Biology, a whole bunch of other stuff, have persuaded many christians into twisting Written Truth in order to accommodate a worldly view, thereby corrupting the original message Its called the Gap Principle, that somewhere between Gen 1:1 and 1:2, is inserted 13 billion years, to account for what many presume to be 100 scientific fact. I ponder that's where the problem is, since most of science can be factually irrefutable, (1+1 = 2), then.surely ALL OF IT must be. A misleading presumption, because whereas most can be factual, not all is. Distance of Light, Methods of dating fossils, all theories used to determine age of earth are mere conventions, theories abstractly developed to sustain a principle, since obtaining evidence is incomplete or impractical hence departing from the norm of scientific procedure is adopted. Thus the door swings both ways here, that is, to support a young earth theory as well as an old one, depending on which convention one subscribes to. For now what does the Bible say, in and of itself, a starting point because its what matters most, Genesis Chapter 1:5-22 unequivocally declares a 7 day Creation, in more ways than can escape glaringly description. (yes, making the Universe 6000 years Old) Creation days are clearly described as a 24hr day, First, each is day is described as day, meaning day in its ordinary usage, its corroborated by the subsequent phrase And then there was evening...and then there was morning A phrase stressed on each day of creation, as if to say, |
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@xfrankie | 31 August 17 | |
phrase stressed on each day of creation, as if to say, people I'm very serious, one day. He further states the Importance of 6 days for Creation in Exodus 20:9-11, as a working model for Man, and on the 7th day rest. This wasn't an arbitrary determination by God, as such we ought not to comprise. As Christians, we're called the light of the world, salt of the earth, thus by design, we're to stick out. Man's perception scarcely coincides with God's, but the beauty of His Word, the Nature of Truth its inevitably Irrefutable, and science plays catch up. |
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@obi_jon | 3 September 17 | |
Hermeneutics, basically the pseudoscience of semantic bible interpretation allowing people to say it means whatever they need it to mean, about anything, in order to reject any criticism of their precious holy book.
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@quiller | 3 September 17 | |
@ xfrankie - 31.08.17 - 11:25am Creation? 6 days or 13 Billion years? Dr. Jason Lisle, astrophysicist, calls it the most attacked book of Bible, The Book of Genesis, and rightly so. man's ideologies, (yes including the distortion of evolution) serve one singular purpose, puts itself up against the Word of God to draw man away from His Creator. Astrophysics/Science estimates the universe to be about 13 Billion years old, along with Evolutionary Biology, a whole bunch of other stuff, have persuaded many christians into twisting Written Truth in order to accommodate a worldly view, thereby corrupting the original message Its called the Gap Principle, that somewhere between Gen 1:1 and 1:2, is inserted 13 billion years, to account for what many presume to be 100 scientific fact. I ponder that's where the problem is, since most of science can be factually irrefutable, (1+1 = 2), then.surely ALL OF IT must be. A misleading presumption, because whereas most can be factual, not all is. Distance of Light, Methods of dating fossils, all theories used to determine age of earth are mere conventions, theories abstractly developed to sustain a principle, since obtaining evidence is incomplete or impractical hence departing from the norm of scientific procedure is adopted. Thus the door swings both ways here, that is, to support a young earth theory as well as an old one, depending on which convention one subscribes to. For now what does the Bible say, in and of itself, a starting point because its what matters most, Genesis Chapter 1:5-22 unequivocally declares a 7 day Creation, in more ways than can escape glaringly description. (yes, making the Universe 6000 years Old) Creation days are clearly described as a 24hr day, First, each is day is described as day, meaning day in its ordinary usage, its corroborated by the subsequent phrase And then there was evening...and then there was morning A phrase stressed on each day of creation, as if to say, 7 literal days? 168 hours? 10080 minutes? A grand total of 604800 seconds, in which heaven, earth, and everything, were created? You rally think that?! |
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@xfrankie | 3 September 17 | |
@ obi_jon - 3.09.17 - 02:17pm Hermeneutics, basically the pseudoscience of semantic bible interpretation allowing people to say it means whatever they need it to mean, about anything, in order to reject any criticism of their precious holy book. not that i don't want to engage, but eventually this descends into very unconstructive rants, i'd rather be spared that, we all have little time, best to reserve it for what we value. Hermeneutics, though commonly applied to Scripture, is an academic discpline much like any other, in respect to languages and meaning including ancient texts, if you'd read alot more, or anything you'd know its pretty much the only way the Bible can be constructively criticised, both parties using logical principles and rational reasoning to come at an informed opinion |
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