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i believe in life after death, ghosts and that the soul is not asleep for who knows what time untill Jesus comes to earth. but this is just what i believe...

You're right the Matthew raising is strange and out of line with the rest of scriptures. Idk what it is about it though I suspect its integrity is compromised. Just look at this... If old testament saints are already resurrected it causes numerous problems... In addition to the thessalonians verse you cited...

In Acts 2:30, 34 Peter confirms that David was AT THAT time a dead and buried man, and he states that David had not ascended to heaven. Revelation 1:5 calls Jesus the firstborn from the dead, no one before his resurrection had been raised to immortality. So how could these rise befor christ? Hebrews 11:40 says the OT saints will not be perfected before or without us. 1 cor. 15:22-23 says the order of being raised to eternal life is first, Christ, then his people at his coming. Its simply impossi

My point exactly Purest...how can they say all these n d transfiguration say something else?? And see the parable of d rich man n lazarus...wldnt dat imply dat Abraham was already in heaven?

isn't it said in the bible that Moses n Abraham stand besides God? It's nt like they are resurected bt they are neither asleep.

simply impossible to have been raised to immortality before Christ himself. Christ being the firstborn from the dead, the firstfruits. As for the transfiguration, it was just a group vision they were given,check verse 9 ''As they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them saying, tell the vision to no man...'' Moses and Elijah themselves were and are still, dead and buried men, waiting for the common resurrection of the saints.

being asleep means being dead.....wat u're implying wld mean they aren't dead

Are we saying they weren't really there but that Peter n d other disciple were seeing things to come?

Somehow @candiee They were not really there, yes, it was a group vision. Why specifically Elijah and Moses? Moses stands for the law, elijah the prophets. The vision of transfiguration simply showed them that Jesus' mission was backed by and fulfilled the law and prophets. The Vision of Jesus' glory was to confirm to them that this Jesus was the glorious messiah of prophecy... It gave them strength not to doubt Jesus' messiahship as he was taken off to be killed. They foresaw his glorious form i

In which he would rule. Mind you in the 1st century Jews expected messiah to immediately come as a glorious dominant figure. It'd devastate their faith to see this Jesus humiliated and tortured. They'd start thinking ''Maybe our colleagues are right. This isn't the messiah.'' but the vision of his future glory gave them faith and strength.

oh i think i get it now... Thanks Purest

welcome.

i like to look at examples from the bible, when it comes to questions like these to let the bible explain itself. The example of lazarus comes to mind. When he was dead, where was he? Jesus simply said he had gone to rest. Then later made it clear he is dead. Thats why when someone dies we say Rip because they are RESTING, just as lazarus was. Jesus didnt say lazarus had moved on to a better place. But he even wept at lazarus' death.

then Jesus resurrected lazarus sayin 'lazarus come on out!' wot happened? 'The man that had been dead came out' now upon lazarus returning to life. Did he thrill ppl about wonderful stories of heaven or did he tell them about terrifying stuffs about hellfire torment?

usually we rest in peace till d day of the lord......

So then where's Elijah and Enoch then?

Cause the Bible explicitly states Elijah was taken to heaven-i already know the Jehovah's witnesses reject the explicit verse.