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is it worth to upgrade to a ryzen 5 5600x from 5 3600? also will this work on my current mobo thats msi b450 m pro vdh max? i dnt plan of getting a new mobo..also will it require to install a clean os? |
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@3mel | 18 May 22 |
shouldn't you be able to look up your MB and it's socket to see what will work with it ?
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@john_163 | 18 May 22 |
it does support..but wana make sure is it a good fit, will there be any problems etc..as its not a high end mobo
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@alvar89 | 19 May 22 |
There is no point jumping on a 5600 from a 3600. If you decided to get into video editing and jumped on a 5900 it would make sense. The 3600 is already on decent ipc and ram support. If you are into gaming then save up for a better gpu or actually good storage.
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@alvar89 | 19 May 22 |
The msi b450 mobos are some of the best on the b450 chipset and can even do a bit of overclocking. They even take a 16 core 5950x but without going high on the clocks. A 5600 is nothing for it to run. I have a 2700x on a msi b450 and its vrm is beefy enough for overclocking even a 8 core. They do suck because they dont support gen 4 nvme drives tho.
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@sisfreak2017 | 19 May 22 |
Do you really need all this sh*t? Save your money and keep your current setup or get Alvar to build you a log cabin in the woods and spend all day whittling things. |
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@john_163 | 22 May 22 |
@ alvar89 - 19.05.22 - 01:21pm There is no point jumping on a 5600 from a 3600. If you decided to get into video editing and jumped on a 5900 it would make sense. The 3600 is already on decent ipc and ram support. If you are into gaming then save up for a better gpu or actually good storage. i just want for gameing and also heard the 3060ti bottlenecks with 3600 is it true? |
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@3mel | 23 May 22 |
look up Gamers Nexus videos on the 3600
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@norega | 28 May 22 |
@ alvar89 - 19.05.22 - 01:25pm The msi b450 mobos are some of the best on the b450 chipset and can even do a bit of overclocking. They even take a 16 core 5950x but without going high on the clocks. A 5600 is nothing for it to run. I have a 2700x on a msi b450 and its vrm is beefy enough for overclocking even a 8 core. They do suck because they dont support gen 4 nvme drives tho. I just upgraded from a 8086k to a 12700k with z690 motherboard that has gen 4 pci-e and unless youre moving massive files about between drives you wont notice any difference in real world performance between 3rd and 4th gen nvme drives . I finally ditched mechanical drive and gone full nvme , my motherboard supports 4 drives so went with. 250gb for window and 1 x 2tb and 2 x 1tb nvme drives and wish I had done it sooner |
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@alvar89 | 29 May 22 |
@ john_163 - 22.05.22 - 08:24am i just want for gameing and also heard the 3060ti bottlenecks with 3600 is it true? Unless you are a e gamer chasing 240fps from a high refresh monitor the cpu bottleneck will never occur. Modern games will be too hard to run anyway to even reach those frames. |
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@alvar89 | 29 May 22 |
@ norega - 28.05.22 - 11:10am I just upgraded from a 8086k to a 12700k with z690 motherboard that has gen 4 pci-e and unless youre moving massive files about between drives you wont notice any difference in real world performance between 3rd and 4th gen nvme drives . I finally ditched mechanical drive and gone full nvme , my motherboard supports 4 drives so went with. 250gb for window and 1 x 2tb and 2 x 1tb nvme drives and wish I had done it sooner The difference will come with new games later on as does the ps5 show its massive jump in game loading times and other features requiring the speed of a gen 4 drive. That is the reason sony made the nvme expansion slot compatible only with a current high end nvme like the wd 850 or samsung 980 pro. The quick resume features and world loading have already started spoiling me. Even in gt7 it was a massive leap in load times going from a ps4 pro with a sata 3 ssd to a ps5. Actually saved time going to the other version ![]() |
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@alvar89 | 29 May 22 |
I have a 8700k somewhere in the performance class of a 3600 ryzen and paired with a 1080ti equalent to a rtx 3060. I play mostly on 3440 by 1440p and 4k. Never seen any bottlenecking on a 60hz screen.
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@alvar89 | 29 May 22 |
@ norega - 28.05.22 - 11:10am I just upgraded from a 8086k to a 12700k with z690 motherboard that has gen 4 pci-e and unless youre moving massive files about between drives you wont notice any difference in real world performance between 3rd and 4th gen nvme drives . I finally ditched mechanical drive and gone full nvme , my motherboard supports 4 drives so went with. 250gb for window and 1 x 2tb and 2 x 1tb nvme drives and wish I had done it sooner Been thinking about getting a 12700k as a upgrade for a while but the e core thing puts me off. Why does a high end cpu need those weak cores? Anyone getting a cpu of that class will not look on saving a few watts of energy. Hope the next line up will have all full cores again. |
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@john_163 | 29 May 22 |
@ 3mel - 23.05.22 - 09:03am look up Gamers Nexus videos on the 3600 tnx saw it, seems im good with the cpu..the only problem would be if i find new gpus a decent price which might struggle on my current rig ![]() |
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@norega | 29 May 22 |
@ alvar89 - 29.05.22 - 08:57am The difference will come with new games later on as does the ps5 show its massive jump in game loading times and other features requiring the speed of a gen 4 drive. That is the reason sony made the nvme expansion slot compatible only with a current high end nvme like the wd 850 or samsung 980 pro. The quick resume features and world loading have already started spoiling me. Even in gt7 it was a massive leap in load times going from a ps4 pro with a sata 3 ssd to a ps5. Actually saved time going to the other version ![]() Pc works completely different to ps5 when loading from ssd . Pc will drag data from ssd to system memory which is massively faster and has massively lower latency . The base line now for a gaming pc is 32gb ram couple that with say 8gb vram and there is no need to stream direct from ssd like ps5 . The only reason you need gen 4 is for moving huge chunks of data and like I said in real world use there is little to no difference . I have tested my gen 4 ssd v gen 3 ssd and moving Huge video files and thats where I see a difference ,small data segments or running os I see no difference at all |
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@norega | 29 May 22 |
@ alvar89 - 29.05.22 - 09:01am Been thinking about getting a 12700k as a upgrade for a while but the e core thing puts me off. Why does a high end cpu need those weak cores? Anyone getting a cpu of that class will not look on saving a few watts of energy. Hope the next line up will have all full cores again. 8 cores with hyper threading give 16 threads to handle heavy work loads . The smaller cores are a revolutionary move by Intel and run all the background data completely separate from the main cores . On a normal 8 core those background tasks are shared across the threads impacting performance. You can run multiple background programs like discord ,teamspeak,capture software etc etc without any performance hit on the main cores at all . |
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@norega | 29 May 22 |
@ alvar89 - 29.05.22 - 08:59am I have a 8700k somewhere in the performance class of a 3600 ryzen and paired with a 1080ti equalent to a rtx 3060. I play mostly on 3440 by 1440p and 4k. Never seen any bottlenecking on a 60hz screen. You still playing at 60hz ?take the jump to 120hz or higher it makes such a big difference. I would actually say bigger than moving from 1080p to 4k and I would never go back to playing at 60hz |
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@alvar89 | 29 May 22 |
@ norega - 29.05.22 - 02:55pm You still playing at 60hz ?take the jump to 120hz or higher it makes such a big difference. I would actually say bigger than moving from 1080p to 4k and I would never go back to playing at 60hz Hard to get those frames. Struggling to get a steady 60 with a 1080ti in 4k. Been thinking about jumping on a 120hz qled tv tho. But the consoles will never really hit 120hz in 4k. A rtx 4080 might tho. My 3440by1440 monitor does 75hz but i dont get many games that get a minimum frame above that. Need to invest in a rtx 4080 if it comes in on a good price. I just cant turn down the resolution to get 120fps its not worth it. |
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@alvar89 | 29 May 22 |
@ norega - 29.05.22 - 02:45pm Pc works completely different to ps5 when loading from ssd . Pc will drag data from ssd to system memory which is massively faster and has massively lower latency . The base line now for a gaming pc is 32gb ram couple that with say 8gb vram and there is no need to stream direct from ssd like ps5 . The only reason you need gen 4 is for moving huge chunks of data and like I said in real world use there is little to no difference . I have tested my gen 4 ssd v gen 3 ssd and moving Huge video files and thats where I see a difference ,small data segments or running os I see no difference at all Amd was fiddeling with straight to gpu loading on there rx6000 series i think? Similar how a ps5 does. Fast world loading and no hiccups or popups thanks to that also. The quick resume thing is awesome. Just turn on your console and immediately get back to your game. |
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@alvar89 | 29 May 22 |
@ norega - 29.05.22 - 02:52pm 8 cores with hyper threading give 16 threads to handle heavy work loads . The smaller cores are a revolutionary move by Intel and run all the background data completely separate from the main cores . On a normal 8 core those background tasks are shared across the threads impacting performance. You can run multiple background programs like discord ,teamspeak,capture software etc etc without any performance hit on the main cores at all . It is a cool tech but i would rather take a full 16core. Intel is struggling to get down there heat and wattage that is why they meddle with the e cores. They need to get on that 7 or 5nm soon. |
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@norega | 29 May 22 |
@ alvar89 - 29.05.22 - 09:40pm Amd was fiddeling with straight to gpu loading on there rx6000 series i think? Similar how a ps5 does. Fast world loading and no hiccups or popups thanks to that also. The quick resume thing is awesome. Just turn on your console and immediately get back to your game. Yeah I understand that but loading from system ram is about 5 times faster than the fastest gen 4 nvme |
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