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@mikeymk | 24 July 14 | |
If you kill yourself deliberately, it's suicide. If you kill someone else deliberately, it's murder. If you have the physical ability to kill yourself, you have the physical right. If you don't have the physical ability to kill yourself, you don't. So the question is, can you give someone else permission to murder you? Well, that's not a simple question of physical reach, unlike the previous points I suggest. Instead, it's a matter of opinion. It IS murder, the only question is, should it be permitted..? My personal conclusion, after much thought, is no - bearing in mind, the context of 'permitted' and it's place in society. |
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@kimjongl | 24 July 14 | |
Killing someone isn't automatically murder, that's current law, not taking any future euthanasia laws into account.
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@mikeymk | 24 July 14 | |
Assisted survival is a sector i feel is also a part of this debate, though. If you've prevented someone from dying naturally, then they wake and ask to be allowed to die, then what..? Should they be dead? Do you owe it to them? |
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@mikeymk | 24 July 14 | |
@ kimjongl - 24.07.14 - 07:58am Killing someone isn't automatically murder, that's current law, not taking any future euthanasia laws into account. Premeditated killing is. You planned to kill them. You can't really go for manslaughter with euthanasia.. |
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@kimjongl | 24 July 14 | |
No one can ever fully know what pain and suffering someone else is going through. As long as there are safeguards in place to prevent abuse I have no problem with someone taking back control over their own lives. Religious bodies should stay out of it, they shouldn't be given any consideration with regard to pushing their fairytale rules on people who are suffering.
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@kimjongl | 24 July 14 | |
@ mikeymk - 24.07.14 - 08:00am Premeditated killing is. You planned to kill them. You can't really go for manslaughter with euthanasia.. Motive, intent and malice are also factors. And the case of euthanasia the mental capacity of the patient would also be a factor. The requirement of 'mens rea' or the guilty mind would not be present. |
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@mikeymk | 24 July 14 | |
@ kimjongl - 24.07.14 - 08:01am No one can ever fully know what pain and suffering someone else is going through. As long as there are safeguards in place to prevent abuse I have no problem with someone taking back control over their own lives. Religious bodies should stay out of it, they shouldn't be given any consideration with regard to pushing their fairytale rules on people who are suffering. I agree on religion, because religion is a matter of opinion. But staying with belief, we are wild animals. What about all the others..? They don't survive anyway if they aren't even in a fit state to kill themselves. So what of humans who are in such a position that they can't? Is it always because they have been put in their position artificially? As they sit there in a wheelchair of the latest technology, tubes out their nose, and being told that letting them die is inhumane..? Or does the food chain have a say, do animals in trouble get eaten before they can reach such a struggle - is this a problem only for the most powerful species on earth..? |
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@voodooros | 24 July 14 | |
How many people ave ad end of life drugs and the body as fought to keep them alive jus to let them leave and die at home.
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@guyver | 24 July 14 | |
what about your ancestors who lived through hell? suffered through slavery, holocaust, wars, depressions, poverty etc, just so you can fall ill and take your own life at the first opportunity? i dont think that is the human way, i dont think that is the human spirit. i think its a modern trend, where we have lost the value of life. we havent struggled like our ancestors did, we just enjoy all the fruits of their labour, born on their drugs to keep us numb all through life, shop at tesco, sit in front of a tv, then cant bear it when the drugs dont work anymore, and we start to wither away and actually feel something... we have this feeling of entitlement that makes us believe we can chose to live or not. where death is some sort of luxury or reward for your suffering. the future isnt looking good if humanity cant re-learn the value of life |
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@mok214 | 24 July 14 | |
You are staying in an old hunting cabin out in the wilderness with a friend. Suddenly you wake up in the wee hours to find the cabin is on fire. You make it out just before a portion of the roof collapses and start yelling for your friend. You start hearing a horrendous scream and realize your friend is still inside. You find a way back in and see that he is trapped under the roof and is burning alive, you see a loaded shotgun in the corner. The nearest town is 40 miles away and you have no mobile service in your area. Make a decision. |
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