The real show will be with nations that can't produce their own vaccine, since they say it's an imperitive- life threatening situation the value of civilians lives will compared to a profit margin or cost cutting scheme..

Its all theatre they have to justify keeping the tyranny going so they will blame incompetence like they always do.

That's why Borris was put forward.. they will say the people voted for it all an that's why you don't trust people who will say or do anything to get ahead in their field of activity..

Just had a friend who had a test at a private hospital, 850 rand, madness, they're going to be so pissed off once people realize that the Oxford vaccine is 9 times cheaper per dose n just opt for vaccination to save money, lol

that has been how healthcare works in the world's richest country for decades.
the biggest cause of bankruptcies in America is over medical bills. no private company will be batting so much as an eyelid over poorer people dying in poorer countries.

I can't remember which one , but one of the three about to be approved costs 3 quid a shot

Perspective is important.. if you accept that the failings are 'how it goes' then you will continue with such failings.. when we have organisations like WHO or IRC big enough to operate on a global scale it's not hard for one country or perhaps all of them to contribute an pharmaceutical lab purely to produce vaccines that cure mass sickness- at low costs..... But apparently such a solution has evaded people for decades and appears to beyond comprehension for today's generation..

Cost a fortune to save a fortune.. you may witness something in all of this, where the virus mutates into something different or even harmless and the vaccine program becomes useless.. we will really see people trying to flogg a dead horse in that event..

I've no doubt that such initiatives have been suggested before but private companies would prefer things to stay as they are where you can charge what you like and people will pay up or die.

in America (again), corporations have been ruled in court to be 'people' with civil rights to be heard by politicians just as much as anyone else. the money they offer to politicians campaigns won't sway their decisions... much. (this was sarcasm).

I will state that corruption and power games have dismantled all the good works out of a sense of blackmailing populations into particular ways of thinking.. the oil is a good example..

Ironic how you come to repeat things I've said to you previously.. the corporations use the 'rights' given to them to protect themselves in court where cases that would have been criminal or liable can be dealt with in civil agreements that avoid a courtroom..

Lobbyist used to only be permitted to advertise their company to politicians until it was permitted for them to present themselves as national entities, which drowned out legitimate campaigners in any consultation because their offer was competed against by a bigger entity- who often was the cause of the problem in the first place..

Ironically I was thinking about waiting for the vaccine to be more tried and tested, the costs of the test are a bit of an incentive to say forget testing, just vaccinate, or well the Oxford one, costs under 3 pounds... And it's non profit

@pmbguy your thinking here is logical.. what we are seeing is the push for people to possibly compromise their health for the sake of an economy already facing chaos due to such things like brexit.. many predicted that a crash was planned anyway based on ppls choice to leave the EU.. since its a politicians mess they need another excuse, along comes covid19, and now it's take a vaccine otherwise the sky will fall..

Frankly I've been through different parts of society since the outbreak and I've tested negative.. you would think I'd have it by now under the circumstances.. so my position stands that if I haven't tested positive, and don't test positive in future I won't need this vaccine.. I don't want to feel sick for 14 days in the middle of winter when I may need to shift my as s at moments notice and I'm sorry to confuse the matter but that's my position..

Take the vaccine to people who test positive first, let everyone else take it if they want to take it but no more of this passport sh*t.. it's in line with dictatorial segregation, a damn outrage on these isles..

Ah, keep everyone looking in the wrong direction so to speak...

If you have been getting exposed but with a minimal viral load, then you may have already developed immunity for the virus while remaining asymptomatic

The viral passport hype, gonna be a real pain for my future travels, although it's seemingly an app or qr code thing, so looks like I'm going to have to learn how to crack the code lol

I would need to have had symptoms and a positive test result for that to be a possibility.. tests should be done for antibodies at the same time as the initial test for covid, yet the official line is that tests are done based on showing symptoms.. I think the assumption that people have it already is a problem..