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@obi_jon | 15 June 20 | |
@ obi_jon - 15.06.20 - 11:48am Mr Murdoch is a business partner of non other than Dick Cheney and the Bush family, who all personally stood to profit enormously from the events following that 'intervention' in a foreign country. If you don't see the issue, then you aren't even looking. Not to mention the weird 3 way thing between Rupert, his ex-wife, and her former lover Vladimir Putin. Yes, really. . |
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@3mel | 15 June 20 | |
is that Jerry Hall or the previous one ? I remember thinking when I was younger Jerry was an interesting person... Oye
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@vampboy | 15 June 20 | |
@ obi_jon - 15.06.20 - 11:48am Mr Murdoch is a business partner of non other than Dick Cheney and the Bush family, who all personally stood to profit enormously from the events following that 'intervention' in a foreign country. If you don't see the issue, then you aren't even looking. Not to mention the weird 3 way thing between Rupert, his ex-wife, and her former lover Vladimir Putin. Yes, really. So he's a lobbyist funding politicans while having direct interests with the government. And? That's literally the norm with most governments around the world. It's necessary to keep electoral support by having key people on your side. I just don't see what's extraordinary about this situation? |
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@vampboy | 15 June 20 | |
@ 3mel - 15.06.20 - 11:54am the situation was far far from as straight forward as you've imagined it. if I remember correctly the majority of Labour MPs voted against it and it took The Conservatives siding with Blair. Correct. He went ahead desite labour protests, while appeasing to his American allies. In fact if I'm not mistaken, him and Thatcher are two politicans the UK had close to a dictatorship. But thatcher did far more good, and that should tell you something about the ideological gap between the two. One stood up to a foreign enitity and defended her territory while the other singlehandedly destroyed it. Of course Labour is responsible for their leader. And it also explains why tories sustained electoral support, while the other collapsed. |
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@3mel | 15 June 20 | |
@ vampboy - 15.06.20 - 12:11pm Correct. He went ahead desite labour protests, while appeasing to his American allies. In fact if I'm not mistaken, him and Thatcher are the two politicans the UK had close to a dictator run government. But thatcher did far more good, and that should tell you something about the ideological gap between the two. One stood up to a foreign enitity and defended her territory while the other singlehandedly destroyed it. Of course Labour is responsible for their leader. And it also explains why tories sustained electoral support, while the other collapsed. your assessments are unrecognisable to me. |
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@obi_jon | 15 June 20 | |
@ 3mel - 15.06.20 - 12:00pm is that Jerry Hall or the previous one ? I remember thinking when I was younger Jerry was an interesting person... Oye Her name is Wendy Deng-Murdoch. She's a Chinese-american. |
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@vampboy | 15 June 20 | |
@ 3mel - 15.06.20 - 12:14pm your assessments are unrecognisable to me. What I'm saying is that Blair used his preorogative irrespective of whether he received sufficient support or not. If I'm not wrong, tories and most other mps were against the war anyhow. But that doesn't absolve Labour of responsibility, it shows more of their ideology being sh*t than just Blair being a tyrant, seeing as Thatcher did much better in contrasting examples and she was considered a tyrant of her time too. |
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@3mel | 15 June 20 | |
no pretty much all of the Tories were onboard with it, I just told you that two replies back. Thatcher is despised by many to this day. she had a wing of her own party in rebellion and was removed by her own party for losing the plot, not sure what you're thinking has been indicated. |
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@kimjongl | 15 June 20 | |
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Lol it's Murdoch's fault Corbyn was a half witted buffoon. Look at how Starmer has turned around support already, by at least appearing to be halfway sane. Still the same Murdoch press, so what's different now?
The funny thing is some of Corbyn's sycophants actually don't like Starmer lol. It's like they want to remain in opposition forever. |
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@vampboy | 15 June 20 | |
@ 3mel - 15.06.20 - 12:21pm no pretty much all of the Tories were onboard with it, I just told you that two replies back. Thatcher is despised by many to this day. she had a wing of her own party in rebellion and was removed by her own party for losing the plot, not sure what you're thinking has been indicated. You're right, my mistake. I misread it. About Thatcher, she resigned herself, and could have easily stayed despite her party's reservations about her. She had amassed just that much power, but she cared about her party, and did not want to rob them victory from their next elections. Unlike Blair, who would have done anything to appease his American Lords. Labour shot itself in the foot by appointing Blair as leader. But Labour just has a terrible ideology, that's all. Many despise Thatcher for her local policies, but millions still respect her far more than they do Blair. |
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