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@9362 | 11 May 21 | |
@ vampboy - 11.05.21 - 12:09am Your country should probably focus on securing its own borders and national interests first. By actively adding more fuel to fire either by enticing greedy corporations to engage in weapons trade or through foreign intervention, you only create more enemies and end up creating disaster for yourselves. No Government would order the cessation of the arms trade here. Tories support it and labour have to because of the unions |
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@vampboy | 11 May 21 | |
@ 9362 - 11.05.21 - 12:10am Ethics will achieve nothing though vampboy .if we don't supply the weapons somebody else will. Refusal to supply many countries will literally cost us thousands of jobs achieve nothing as these conflicts will still take place .All what taking a moral stance will achieve is job losses I can agree with that, and I am going to jump on a bizarre but cliche conundrum. Ford Motor Company dealt extensively with the third Reich and generated thousands of jobs; but was the destruction worth the short term economic boost? How about governments that actively funded the SA apartheid who continued inflicting systematic abuse on their own population? if truly every nation thought this way and refused to condemn the regime internationally through trade embargoes and sanctions, do you think the apartheid would still have crumbled when it did? |
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@vampboy | 11 May 21 | |
Rhodesia is another state that comes to mind.
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@vampboy | 11 May 21 | |
@ 9362 - 11.05.21 - 12:13am No Government would order the cessation of the arms trade here. Tories support it and labour have to because of the unions It's bias towards the Jews probably from shared religious history and American infatuation with Zionism. I bet both labour and Tories would be singing a different tune if weapons were supplied to a state that the US condemned or if it was North Korea or something. |
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@9362 | 11 May 21 | |
@ vampboy - 11.05.21 - 12:17am I can agree with that, and I am going to jump on a bizarre but cliche conundrum. Ford Motor Company dealt extensively with the third Reich and generated thousands of jobs; but was the destruction worth the short term economic boost? How about governments that actively funded the SA apartheid who continued inflicting systematic abuse on their own population? if truly every nation thought this way and refused to condemn the regime internationally through trade embargoes and sanctions, do you think the apartheid would still have crumbled when it did? There's another point to think about vampboy, mainly to do with the middle East but also influencing countries like Afghanistan.The whole Sunni/Shia dispute. Been going on for 1,300 years now. That has caused huge problems for centuries |
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@3mel | 11 May 21 | |
@ vampboy - 11.05.21 - 12:09am Your country should probably focus on securing its own borders and national interests first. By actively adding more fuel to fire either by enticing greedy corporations to engage in weapons trade or through foreign intervention, you only create more enemies and end up creating disaster for yourselves. there's a semi famous photograph that did the rounds about 25 maybe 30 years ago of a small section of board members from weapons manufacturer. there were at least two former Prime Ministers and two Presidents in the photo. the M.I.C. posing for portraits. just had a search and it's not to be found now, maybe others will remember it. there's a direct financial incentive to having tax payers pay for wars in far away places if you'll be given a seat on the board of the company that made the weapons |
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@9362 | 11 May 21 | |
@ vampboy - 11.05.21 - 12:23am It's bias towards the Jews probably from shared religious history and American infatuation with Zionism. I bet both labour and Tories would be singing a different tune if weapons were supplied to a state that the US condemned or if it was North Korea or something. Labour is simply because of the huge amounts of job losses what would ensue |
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@3mel | 11 May 21 | |
@ 9362 - 11.05.21 - 12:13am No Government would order the cessation of the arms trade here. Tories support it and labour have to because of the unions weapons manufacturing companies are cutting edge tech and engineering firms. it's probably easier for them to diversify into other areas than it would be for more traditional companies. |
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@tranie | 11 May 21 | |
Morals don't pay mortgages
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@vampboy | 11 May 21 | |
@ 9362 - 11.05.21 - 12:24am There's another point to think about vampboy, mainly to do with the middle East but also influencing countries like Afghanistan.The whole Sunni/Shia dispute. Been going on for 1,300 years now. That has caused huge problems for centuries Muslims have been killing Muslims since the battle of camel when Ayesha rode on that horse with a sword in her hand. It doesn't help that foreign entities have also been adding fuel to fire by strategically siding with one against the other. Saddam's Iraq and Iran comes as an obvious example. |
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