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@eyesore | 13 June 20 | |
@ 3mel - 13.06.20 - 08:36am who are you even talking about there ? the policies of western governments towards China didn't begin in the last four years. you seem to be talking about prodigits users as though that has anything to do with governments not wanting to step into ww3. @vamp Here we go again....Mel there is not going to be a third world war , doesn't matter how much wish for it |
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@3mel | 13 June 20 | |
@ eyesore - 13.06.20 - 09:00am Here we go again....Mel there is not going to be a third world war , doesn't matter how much wish for it that's pretty much my point. you need to look elsewhere for people looking to see escalations too. |
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@vampboy | 13 June 20 | |
@ 3mel - 13.06.20 - 08:51am you're getting money sent in to organisations from CIA backed NGOs, that should tell you that's as much as other powers want to be involved. the same thing applies equally with Russia, they were backing military action in the Ukraine, beyond a certain level of response, nobodies gonna do shiit. I agree. The involvement was both covert and obscure, but it was still there. If more countries pooled in greater resources for the protestors, and Covid didn't hit, and the USA wasn't involved back in its internal affairs... you'd be surprised how much momentum our protests had taken. Stealth is out of the picture, there's immense exposure of press. Absolutely massive, in fact. The situation here isn't remotely similar to Tibet. Summing it up, China isn't a big deal, we simply need support to internally destroy them. |
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@3mel | 13 June 20 | |
by stealth I mean through creeping legislation. beyond funding protestors and applying sanctions (after the fact), what do you think could be done ? it's easy to throw out phrases like 'internally destroy' but what do you actually think that means in practical terms ? |
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@kimjongl | 13 June 20 | |
@ 3mel - 13.06.20 - 08:54am I agree there isn't, but other countries aren't 'targeting' China anytime soon either with repercussions for many western economies. if China incrementally takes Hong Kong by stealth there'll be some harsh words and then oh well. My point is if they do target them, which I agree isn't going to happen, they still wouldn't be risking WW3. WW3 isn't happening in pretty much any scenario. |
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@vampboy | 13 June 20 | |
@ 3mel - 13.06.20 - 09:33am by stealth I mean through creeping legislation. beyond funding protestors and applying sanctions (after the fact), what do you think could be done ? it's easy to throw out phrases like 'internally destroy' but what do you actually think that means in practical terms ? Last time they issued a decision regarding proposed reforms to the Hong Kong electoral system in 2011, it lead to the umbrella revolution which helped create local movements that today are being funded by NGOS and other entities. In 2019, they attempted to stealthily sneak in the anti extradition bill. This happened. The chief executive not only revoked the bill, but resorted to police brutality to subdue protestors. All of which failed to stop us. Then covid happened. And they are attemptig to enact the national security law. Thousands of locals gathered in malls, all over the streets to defy the proposed bill while also tarnishing the social distancing regulation. We're a hyper politically aware society. Here's an example how; |
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@vampboy | 13 June 20 | |
@3mel | 13 June 20 | |
that doesn't speak to my question. it's most likely that China has made it's calculations about what the rest of the would do.
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@vampboy | 13 June 20 | |
So no, there won't be a creeping legislation passed without an unfathomable upheavel. We're a free society. And we value our freedom. Now to answer the second part of your question, you destroy a country by destroying its ideology. China has long since shifted past its ideology and adopted a liberalist inspired free market, while maintaining a strong autocracy with elements of socialism... a far cry from the ideology China initiated her revolution with. What unites mainlanders today is incentive. It is a country enshrouded in Han supremacy, while being extremely diverse culturally and socially. Embargos and sanctions along with worldwide condemnation would disillude millions of people. Taiwan will gain a stronghold. Movements will go underground. A proxy war from all regions funded by foreign entities will emerge as taxes will be levied heavily on the locals to maintain Bejing stronghold. All the more leading to a beautifully disastrous revolt. |
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@vampboy | 13 June 20 | |
@ 3mel - 13.06.20 - 02:59pm that doesn't speak to my question. it's most likely that China has made it's calculations about what the rest of the would do. They had no idea. They were sweating like pigs, as billions were continiously being pooled to local supporters. What they'd anticipate was the bill would be stealthily passed with the chief executive's discretion seeing as there was a murder case in Taiwan, no one would protest as it was a case of national concern. They were so wrong. |
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