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@alvar89 | 7 March 15 | |
@ fiftyshadesofgreat - 5.03.15 - 12:02pm You say they were created and then you say they coexisted in a timeless essence, which is not conceivable. Of course you refer to it as a problem. YHWH allways is never created hence the name Ego Eimi I AM I Exist YHWH etc. The Son was begotten from the Fathers own essence outside our material realm. Lets try a example He was first revealed to ppl like a mitten then revealed multiple fingers inside. The richness of Gods being. |
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@alvar89 | 7 March 15 | |
@ 0gypsy0 - 6.03.15 - 05:53pm Taking verses out of context again? Read the entire chapter of John 17. Are u god too then? (vs 20 - etc) Lets try to explain it this way. Apart from God i am nothing like a useless tyre in a trench on my own. But with God i am like a tyre under a functional car belonging to the unity of God but i am not the car if i am one replacable component. God is the whole car doing the driving etc. |
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@alvar89 | 7 March 15 | |
@ manszar - 4.03.15 - 11:24am when I see two galaxies half merged, that stars are being born daily. the skeleton and fossil record. to say we do not live in a world that evolves is to lie to myself. I see no need for a god to make all things. things get created by continuous processes, god did not create the keyboard im typing on, so to say god crated all things is another lie. afraid of going against atheists ive been on prodigets longer than most on here, and I have had plenty of debates with atheists and many others. I don't come on here half as much as I used to and am not that interested in every little debate that goes on. you would not know this as you are fairly new, so ill have my chuckle and let that one go. as for the wrong church, you wish As for the evolution part i dont see it as everything is downgrading rather the word changing would be appropriate for what is going on. This planet used to be much more than it is now. Screens before our sicening eyes and weak bodies in a dying planet rather than strenght, agility and health in a pure nature is what leans toward a punished creation rather than a evololution a lottery of random instances improving life in time. Sorry for the sudden change of topic |
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@0gypsy0 | 8 March 15 | |
@ alvar89 - 7.03.15 - 12:12pm Lets try to explain it this way. Apart from God i am nothing like a useless tyre in a trench on my own. But with God i am like a tyre under a functional car belonging to the unity of God but i am not the car if i am one replacable component. God is the whole car doing the driving etc. I'll just post the verses again because I have nothing better to do right now (and their contradiction is funny too) . Here we go mr.Tyre,: Isaiah 42 8I am the LORD, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another, Nor My praise to graven images. for real? John 17 5Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. -and here The Tyre is praying for the other tires and sharing the glory with them (u included) yet u say you're a useless tire in a trench on your own,contradicting Jesus.. 20 My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the GLORY that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one.(John 17) are u God too? |
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@0gypsy0 | 8 March 15 | |
@ alvar89 - 7.03.15 - 11:57am The problem is with the false view of God being a bearded man in the clouds what makes this hard to comprehend. It is not scriptural. The multiple heavens created were not clouds rather dimensions. If you follow scripture there are atleast 3 heavens. The God in the scripture is not like us a one bodily limited and material person. God can consentrate His power into a another person any day in my view. He is not limited. Not everyone thinks of God as being a bearded man in the clouds , it's as ridiculous as the bearded men with wings representing angels . If you'd follow the scriptures you wouldn't be parroting dogmatic views that are totally non-biblical . |
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@0gypsy0 | 8 March 15 | |
@ alvar89 - 7.03.15 - 12:25pm As for the evolution part i dont see it as everything is downgrading rather the word changing would be appropriate for what is going on. This planet used to be much more than it is now. Screens before our sicening eyes and weak bodies in a dying planet rather than strenght, agility and health in a pure nature is what leans toward a punished creation rather than a evololution a lottery of random instances improving life in time. Sorry for the sudden change of topic This planet used to be a lot worse than now,even in biblical times. Thank goodness at least I wasn't around the times of OT and praying to the wrong god... I'm so lucky! |
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@manszar | 8 March 15 | |
@ alvar89 - 28.02.15 - 01:16pm Isaiah 42 8I am the LORD, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another, Nor My praise to graven images. John 17 5Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. so we see jesus cant be god because god will not give his glory to another, yet jesus says I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one. if jesus is god then he is giving his glory away to others. which god said he would not do. as gypsy is pointing out |
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@manszar | 8 March 15 | |
@ alvar89 - 7.03.15 - 12:25pm As for the evolution part i dont see it as everything is downgrading rather the word changing would be appropriate for what is going on. This planet used to be much more than it is now. Screens before our sicening eyes and weak bodies in a dying planet rather than strenght, agility and health in a pure nature is what leans toward a punished creation rather than a evololution a lottery of random instances improving life in time. Sorry for the sudden change of topic the word don't does not seem to fit in what your saying in the first line. so can you rephrase this please. and explain how the world used to be much more than it is now. and can you please provide the evidence that all species are de-evolving in a way that is not beneficial. |
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