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@northie | 25 June 13 | |
@ jeffwyer - 25.06.13 - 08:15pm It is man that feeds himself. Cloth himself. and Feed himself. If the wicked doesn't do so, nothing will happen to him. No miraculous phenomena will miraculously occur miraculously dressing him, giving food in front of him or whatsoever. God has nothing to do with life's sustenance. It's man that does it for himself. God's goodness cannot end because it's an attribute impossible for a cruel god to have. According to jeffinism - the head in the clouds religion with an inability to see through the clouds what happens beneath |
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@northie | 25 June 13 | |
@ vampboy - 25.06.13 - 08:42pm I'm an atheist, so rest assured that my argument will be fair on both sides, technically according to Jeff, Christians don't call him a prophet, so then what are you? What am I? Good question. The titles that friends and I have carried have since been adopted by other groups also that are way off what we believe, of which some are definitely not to be associated with. I'm just me now - a child of Yahushua the Messiah following the Elohim of the original Sciptures. and my explanation has been deleted with my blogs. Too old or what? Will try and update. |
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@vampboy | 25 June 13 | |
So you're implying he was going to get all the people executed, but strangely due to some prayers from us, He said ''oh, okay, now I won't kill you all'' This seems more like He had no idea that the repentance was going to happen on behalf of humans, but when it did he backed off... doesn't sound like an All knowing being at all... Such a human trait.
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@vampboy | 25 June 13 | |
@ northie - 25.06.13 - 09:43pm I only visited the last page now and I still have to work through 5 pages at a pace a snail could beat. Be patient. My resources just cant keep up. First things first. Back to page 12.. I'll probably get to your newest response tomorrow. Take your time, but you still have not convince me of the first contradiction in the bible, and there is a whole list ahead. Be assured that I have an open mind, if your argument is sane, I will acknowledge it but if you tell me your God is merciful and yet he murders children because of the crimes their parents committed, do not expect me to not laugh at that. |
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@northie | 25 June 13 | |
@ vampboy - 25.06.13 - 08:44pm God needs the help of his arch-nemesis to punish his own children? It would make more sense if God appointed his friends such as the angels to do the punishing because they are on his side, to use demons to punish humans is really silly. And why punish demons later, and humans now? Why wait till the end? Some demons are bound and some are not and some seem to have free movement in and out of gehenna. They aren't tormenting christians by order as far as I understand. They do it by allowance as on earth. They still have a chance to prove their self-perceived power over Elohim's plans. After judgment day its the end of that and for them and then they will join humans in the punishment. |
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@northie | 25 June 13 | |
@ vampboy - 25.06.13 - 08:44pm God needs the help of his arch-nemesis to punish his own children? It would make more sense if God appointed his friends such as the angels to do the punishing because they are on his side, to use demons to punish humans is really silly. And why punish demons later, and humans now? Why wait till the end? In the end it will be the human's turn to judge them. |
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@northie | 25 June 13 | |
@ vampboy - 25.06.13 - 09:20pm Who do you think Moses was speaking of, if not Jesus? Yes, the Messiah, but not Moses himself. Why did you do the insertion the way you did? |
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@vampboy | 25 June 13 | |
Because Moses did not directly mention Jesus's name since some people are quite thick here I felt I had to add who he was talking about in a bracket to help 'em understand.
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@northie | 25 June 13 | |
@ vampboy - 25.06.13 - 11:06pm So you're implying he was going to get all the people executed, but strangely due to some prayers from us, He said ''oh, okay, now I won't kill you all'' This seems more like He had no idea that the repentance was going to happen on behalf of humans, but when it did he backed off... doesn't sound like an All knowing being at all... Such a human trait. He knows man's heart - and future, but still has control over time. Man fails 'unfailingly', so time is only extended usually. |
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@vampboy | 25 June 13 | |
@ northie - 25.06.13 - 11:16pm Some demons are bound and some are not and some seem to have free movement in and out of gehenna. They aren't tormenting christians by order as far as I understand. They do it by allowance as on earth. They still have a chance to prove their self-perceived power over Elohim's plans. After judgment day its the end of that and for them and then they will join humans in the punishment. So Gehenna is supposed to be a temporary hell, alright, okay, and where do the good Christian souls go to? |
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