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@norega | 23 February 17 | |
Same thing was said here when I bought a q6600 , pointless getting a quad as games don't work on 4 cores blah blah blah . More than 4 cores will be used once the become mainstream, Gota be thick to choose a quad over an 8 core now
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@alvar89 | 23 February 17 | |
The cpus with more cores seem to run games much smoother when streaming also. Would love to upgrade from my i7 to double the cores soon as its 5 years old almost already. Held up nice this far tho not bottlenecking my gtx 1070 etc.
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@spartan2 | 24 February 17 | |
http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700-gaming-performance-benchmarks-leak/ Is why you have to need more cores for rendering rather than faster ones for gaming. The faster 4 core destroys 8 slower cores in gaming like it does to intel's own 6 cores, in GTA5 the difference between minimum framerates is massive stock v stock, over 30 percent. That's the difference between the game dropping below 30FPS and staying close to 40FPS! If you use it for rendering the extra multi threading is a boon, but if it's for anything less like gaming then the quad single threaded performance makes more sense. Problem is the vast vast majority of consumers just don't need more than 4 cores at the moment. In the distant future when they are more mainstream it'll change. Some way off yet though, lots of cores is a niche market. |
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@alvar89 | 24 February 17 | |
Im afraid the 4 cores will bite dust like the core 2 duos did really soon when games take advantage of 8 cores. The scorpio might also influence it. Hyper threaded not too much as seen with i3 running games like gta 5 compared to non HT pentiums but still drop alot of performance compared to the i5s.
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@alvar89 | 24 February 17 | |
Will be interesting if the ryzen clocks as close. The 7700 does not do 1ghz oc very easily without proper cooling. If the rysen does lets say 4.8ghz from its lower start then it will make intel sweat.
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@spartan2 | 24 February 17 | |
Your problem is nobody will design games for more than 4 cores til everyone has more than 4 cores. Even today a dual core 4 threaded i3 beats up AMD's 3 and 4 core processors in a lot of games and this is years after most everyone has 4 cores. It'll be years before the majority of games are heavily threaded to use 6 or 7 cores. At least another couple complete processor generations. What's more DX12 reduces CPU overhead hugely. This is a factor you have to consider, throwing more slow cores at the problem hasn't been the answer for most applications and Intel have proved it for the past 10 years. It's a fact. I find it amazing that Horizon 3 or Mankind divided, both cutting edge games I have been playing recently don't even use more than 2 cores. It's nuts but true. |
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@spartan2 | 24 February 17 | |
One of the best threaded games I have seen up to this point is Watchdogs 2. It can chew up 4 cores and 8 threads- but not much more. A 6700/7700 annihilate other 4 core 4 threads, but a 6 core 12 thread gains next to nothing still. Bearing in mind this is THE best multi-threaded game I have ever seen, that and Battlefield 1. I honestly can't name many games that can usefully utilise more than 8 threads. Even Battlefield 1 gains just a few percentage points when you have two entire extra cores, and it runs a million frames a second regardless of what you have. It's expensive and difficult to create game engines with task scheduling for so many threads. |
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@alvar89 | 24 February 17 | |
Well see. Have to wait for the overclocking results also. Loads of ppl enjoy streaming also and recording gameplay that will benefit also. It will give intel a fair rivalry in the content creation vs there more expensive x99 cpus. Lets hope we will get more cores from intel soon for less money.
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@spartan2 | 24 February 17 | |
The best free streaming software is really GPU compute based though, shadowplay etc. Least impact on performance while actually gaming. It's better because the most parallel performance inside any gaming PC is in the GPU. It's another niche market anyway. I have no doubt eventually games will get threaded better but even after all this time so many games don't use more than 2 cores 4 threads! Only a tiny number of games of which I can hardly think of any can use more than 8 threads. DX12 only means that CPU performance begins to matter less too. It's in early adoption but the best built DX12/vulkan games you can run on a dual core as fast as an 8 core lol. In Doom a dual core i3 is basically nearly identically as fast as a Broadwell-E 8 core. In Tomb Raider DX12 a dual core old Haswell beats an 8 core 5960X on average framerate |
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@dom4subs | 26 February 17 | |
Asus have just released ryzen motherboards
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