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 This is specially for those xtians who r creatin a fuss here... E.g. Levifex. We know from christian's aka Paulian's teachin that the blood is the only way 4 forgiveness of one's sins. thats why, accordin to them, Jesus Christ PBUH nailed on the cross for the sins of humankind. There is no other way for the forgiveness of ur sin. And, they claim, Old Testament teaches that. And whole concept of trinity is based on this. But let me ask, where does the laws says that? Infact we find that Bible teaches opposit. Bible (except Epistles) does teach about sacrificin, and so Islam teaches, but none teaches that its the ONLY way for the forgiveness of ur sins. God doesn't required Blood, to 4give ur sins. I'll give few examples from the Bible to prove my points. |
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@salam05 | 21 January 09 |
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Psalm 40:6 ''Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire, mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.'' ......... 1Samuel 15:22 ''And Samuel said, Hath the LORD [as great] delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey [is] better than sacrifice, [and] to hearken than the fat of rams.'' .............. Hosea 14:1 ''O Israel, return unto the LORD thy God; for thou hast fallen by thine iniquity. [2] Take with you words, and turn to LORD: Say unto him, take away all iniquity, and recieve [us] graciously: so will we render the calves of our lips.'' .............. |
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@salam05 | 21 January 09 |
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But there are few christians who'll qoute, in reply, the following verse... Leviticus 17:11 ''For the life of the flesh [is] in the blood and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement from your souls: For it [is] the blood [that] maketh an atonement for the soul.'' Let me ask, where does it say that the blood is the only source for the forgiveness of ur sin? On the other hand there are many verses in Bible which speaks clearly, how can ur sins be forgiven.. For example, Psalm 51:16 ''For thou desirest not sacrifice else would I give [it]: thou delightest not in burnt offering. [17] The sacrifice of God [are] a broken spirit: a broken and contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.'' .............. Psalm 69:30 ''I will praise the name of God with a song, and will magnify him with thanksgiving [31] (this) also shall please the LORD better than an ox [or] bullock that hath horns and hoofs.''[/i] ................ Micah 7:18 [i]''who is a God like unto Thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? He retained not His anger for ever, because he delighteth in... [19] He will turn again, he will have compassion upon us, he will subdue our iniquities; and thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea. [20] Thou wilt perform the truth of Jacob, and the mercy to Abraham which thou hast sworn unto our fathers from the days of old.''[/i] Its clear from the above verse, that there's a large difference between the teachings of Paul n true Old Testament's teaching... Let me see Hw the Levifix guy reply this... |
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@mishy_23 | 22 January 09 |
 Well done!
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@pakibabe | 23 January 09 |
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Well said brother!
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@levafix | 28 January 09 |
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Jesus was the sacrifice...as easy as that! But he was so perfect that he paid the price forever!
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@levafix | 28 January 09 |
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So to have our sins forgiven we simply confess with our lips and if we truly sorry for the sins we committed we are forgiven
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@mishy_23 | 29 January 09 |
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In islam if we repent sincerely to our Lord, He forgives us. So u mean dat if a christion does a crime nd dosnt confess den he'll be in hell?
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@levafix | 29 January 09 |
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Yes for the sin is still against him
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@mishy_23 | 29 January 09 |
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den y did Jesus pbuh die??
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@salam05 | 29 January 09 |
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The whole theory of christianity is based on assumption... Anyway this guy levafix seems very ignorant about his own religious scriptures... I kno many christians on prodigits whom r knowledgeable and i've debated wid dem many time... But this guy seems lyk a primary school student jump to teach the students of post graduation..lol.
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@mahdhura | 31 January 09 |
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Doznt it also stated dat no bearers of burden shall bear anothers load nor d father shal sufer 4 d eniquity of the son n vice virsa. Cn sumbody pls help wit d number of d vrs jazakALLAH
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@maxfc | 31 January 09 |
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Lol..exactly! Rightly said bro salam. I dont even knw y we r wasting our precious time here.
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@levafix | 31 January 09 |
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Mishy Jesus died for us. So our sins can be forgiven and we can receive salvation, and that death can have no power over those who are saved. Jesus is our intercessor between us and God, like Moses was the intercessor between Israel, and God.He came to bring us the gospel and to show us how to live!
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@mishy_23 | 1 February 09 |
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why did Jesus hav to die wen u can just repent nd 'confess' ur sins to b 4given?? Itz just ridiculous. God dosnt need to kill His 'son' 2 4give us!!
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@levafix | 1 February 09 |
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There can be no remission of sins without the shedding of blood. In the old testiment times people sacrificed animals for their sins to be forgiven, these animals were without blemishes.
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@maxfc | 2 February 09 |
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OMG!! Christianity is so barbaric!!! Dont mind bt i dint knw in christianity blood needs to b shed 4 da sins!! OMG! Itz so dangerous nd inhuman!!
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@salam05 | 2 February 09 |
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Saari Ram kahani khatam ho gayi, phir bhi ye keh rahe hai ''Raam lakshman ka father tha.lol Leva, ur shoutin the same thing which i've already explained n u dint answer that yet... If God can forgive the huge sins of Israel, during babylon, just bcz of repentance (no sacrifice). So why can't He forgive the sins without blood now.... Or Jesus PBUH came to abrogate prev laws?? |
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@maxfc | 2 February 09 |
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Mujhay lagta hai ke iska brain mein seriously dung hai. Ye to kuch bhi nahin samajhta! Bakhwas kahi ke. Anparh ganwar type larka hai.
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@levafix | 2 February 09 |
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God can forgive the sins of people NOW, and he does if its honest, He does this cause Jesus died THEN!
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@maxfc | 2 February 09 |
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We believe dat God dosnt need to kill any1 to 4give sum1. Datz so simple!
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