hischild - 28.02.11 - 01:53am
HOLY GHOST *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 02:02am
christians takes him as Holy Ghost? really? oh wow. its no wonder then, even in Islam, no one can enter heaven if rejected him SAAW. even mocking him would be forbidden heaven for those who mocked The Holy Prophet Muhammad SAAW. wow this better now, atleast the understanding is there. *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 02:03am
anyway Holy Spirit in Islam is Angel Gabriel. *
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mandain - 28.02.11 - 02:07am
So everyone before the time of mohummaed can't enter heaven then? *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 02:08am
The Spirit Of Truth is MOST BELOVED to ALLAH SWT. *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 02:10am
yep mandain. for those who knows Allah SWT they know The Spirit Of Truth to come n must accept it even before Adam, Angels etc, Allah SWT first created The Spirit Of Truth. *
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mandain - 28.02.11 - 02:11am
And the spirit of truth is a man? *
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mandain - 28.02.11 - 02:13am
So all the prophets before Muhammad didn't have the spirit of truth? *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 02:19am
all the Prophets before Muhammad SAAW believed in Muhammad SAAW while he is still in Spirit form (Nur). @mandain. Allah SWT created this ''Nur- Light Of Muhammad SAAW'' First before any other creatures ie Angels etc... *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 02:20am
this ''Nur Muhammad SAAW'' is MOST Beloved to Allah SWT. *
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mandain - 28.02.11 - 02:25am
Ok quick question where does it say muhammad is the most beloved? In the Quran? Did the angel Gabriel reveal it to Muhammad that he is the most beloved? Or is it in the hadiths? *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 02:46am
Here are some verses of Quran which define the personality of Prophet Muhammad (SAAW) and his exalted status.- He is Nur (Sacred Light) (5.15).- Allah blesses him (33.56).- Mercy for all the worlds (21.107).- His name is Muhammad (Meaning the Most Praised One) (47.2). *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 02:47am
Muhmmad (SAAW) was the most beloved of Allah Almighty n here are some verses of Quran which show how much beloved to Allah was he.- If you want to gain the love of Allah, follow him (3:31). Allah addresses him with love and affection (20:1) (36:1) (73:1) (74:1). Allah says: Realise that My Prophetic Messenger himself is with you (49:7). Allah describes him with His Own Attributes of Rauf (Most Ki *
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ampem - 28.02.11 - 02:49am
AMPEM *
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ampem - 28.02.11 - 02:50am
AMPEM GOD *
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ampem - 28.02.11 - 02:50am
AMPEM *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 02:51am
Allah describes him with His Own Attributes of Rauf (Most Kind) and Rahim (Merciful) (9:128). Allah does not punish people if he is in their midst (8:33). He has regarded with the highest degree of respect among the prophet. His name has been mentioned first among the great prophets in Quran. *
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mandain - 28.02.11 - 02:51am
I read before Muhammad just simply means the praised one, but now it's the most praised and most beloved *
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mandain - 28.02.11 - 02:54am
So kek you have kids right? Out of your kids do you have a favourite? One that you love more than the other? If so which one? *
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witch1 - 28.02.11 - 02:56am
Read the bible with an open mind kek. You never have or you wouldn't ask such a silly question. *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 02:57am
kids? Allah SWT is not anyone's father mandain. btw i love my kids differently but the same. :D *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 02:58am
this no silly question...u see even christian finds it difficult to see in the bible, else me...@witchy. *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 03:00am
There are so many other verses of Quran about the Prophet Muhammad and Allah has greatly emphasized upon his love, respect and following his teaching. Allah Says ''he that follow Muhammad (SAAW) follows ME''. *
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mandain - 28.02.11 - 03:01am
None of what you quoted actually say the words he is the most beloved *
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mandain - 28.02.11 - 03:04am
Father or not is debatable either way We are all his creations, and God loves me equally with all his creations Moses Abraham including Muhammad and everyone in this forum, no more no less but equal *
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mandain - 28.02.11 - 03:06am
He might love each one differently but equally none is the most beloved *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 03:07am
Allah SWT n all Angels Praised Muhammad SAAW n Allah SWT Granted Muhammad SAAW The Fount (of Abundance). mandain. - see Surah 108.1-3.- 1. To thee have We granted the Fount (of Abundance). 2. Therefore to thy Lord turn in Prayer and Sacrifice. 3. For he who hateth thee, he will be cut off (from Future Hope). *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 03:08am
ok so, tell me more what ur bible say about The Spirit of Truth. will u also be cut off from future hope if u hate him? *
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mandain - 28.02.11 - 03:09am
Still didn't say he is the most beloved *
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mandain - 28.02.11 - 03:12am
Well that's without asking then, why would you hate the spirit of truth? The spirit of truth is to guide us, which it just did with me, which is to know that God loves all of us equally that's the spirit of truth I felt *
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mandain - 28.02.11 - 03:14am
I just had a spiritual moment while eating a chicken burger *
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mandain - 28.02.11 - 03:16am
ok gotta go for now tc *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 03:21am
ok tc. *
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witch1 - 28.02.11 - 03:22am
But that's what you say when someone questions the koran, kek. You say read it to understand. Read the bible to understand it. *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 03:23am
And We have not sent you, (O Muhammad), except as a mercy to all mankind (Glorious Qur'an 21:107) *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 03:25am
if uve read it all the Quran n u dont understand it, u may ask me witchy. *
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crazy4ya - 28.02.11 - 04:36am
is saaw n swt? *
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levafix - 28.02.11 - 06:09am
Kek muhamam is not Holy Spirit of the bible! *
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wilman - 28.02.11 - 06:18am
manage ur spelling levafix! *
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revived - 28.02.11 - 06:39am
O Boy ! ! thisss topppic iiiiissss sooooo . . . . . . . . *
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levafix - 28.02.11 - 09:44am
There are many things that are said about the Holy Spirit in the bible what specifically are you refering to? *
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phallica - 28.02.11 - 10:00am
Would the Koran be the same if the Bible wasn't compiled? *
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geek54 - 28.02.11 - 10:18am
Sounds to me like Ma'at the egyptian god of truth. *
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hischild - 28.02.11 - 10:52am
the HOLY GHOST is the spirit of truth. i have already answered *
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hischild - 28.02.11 - 10:59am
HE is sent to guide us in all truth and righteousness. *
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beige1 - 28.02.11 - 11:00am
John 14 v 16-17 .. It is the Holy Spirit. 'he will be with u for eternity' nd well.. No man is here for eternity. So it isn't Muhammed. *
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beige1 - 28.02.11 - 11:01am
Holy Spirit nd Holy Ghost been the same thing incase anyone wonders. *
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beige1 - 28.02.11 - 11:04am
Let me rephrase that.. Muhammed is not the Spirit of truth to Christians nd accordin to the Bible. *
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mandain - 28.02.11 - 11:11am
I don't get why there are both Christians and Muslims on this site that constantly want to have a dig at each others religion to make themselves feel secure about their own, why? Leave each other alone for you can never ever prove anyone wrong, so what's the point in starting this type of topics? it beats me that's for sure *
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mandain - 28.02.11 - 11:14am
Is your aim to convert people? If so that might seem reasonable but so far from what I noticed that's not the case, it's simply trying to say my rooster is bigger than your rooster, what's the point in that, now really? *
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beige1 - 28.02.11 - 11:16am
That's why i rephrased my reply, i didn't want it to seem, nor was it my intention to put down the Islamic faith, or say that they're wrong. *
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mandain - 28.02.11 - 11:29am
That's right and Muhammad is not a prophet to Christians either, you can pick on the bible till the sun comes down just as chriistians can pick all the flaws of the most beloved prophet the most praised one as I did earlier it's not going to change anyone's mind *
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mandain - 28.02.11 - 11:30am
So quit trying! *
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mandain - 28.02.11 - 11:32am
So have faith in your own faith and get on with your merry little lives, and like Bobby macferrin says don't worry be happy now *
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cyrens99 - 28.02.11 - 11:45am
Dot *
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afriend - 28.02.11 - 12:13pm
in the bible, Spirit also means Prophet *
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mandain - 28.02.11 - 12:17pm
And the bible is corrupted, have we forgotten that bit? Or is it only corrupted where you wish it to be? Now stop quoting the bible afriend,learn to live with your Quran and start with mis trusting Jews for a start? *
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cyrens99 - 28.02.11 - 12:17pm
Wrong again. *
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hischild - 28.02.11 - 12:23pm
what? spirit means prophet in the bible? *
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afriend - 28.02.11 - 12:50pm
yeah Hischild. Many prophets have come into the world, but u should test that spirit of truth ...(meanin there's a criteria of judgin a prophet) *
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im.joker - 28.02.11 - 01:09pm
if you ve read the bible and havent really found the spirit of truth . . i suppose you were reading closed bible or with closed eyes *
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urvoice2 - 28.02.11 - 01:10pm
Given that muslims will only occupy one third of heaven, only an idiot would say u must accept mohammed was a prophet before u can get in. *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:10pm
@mandain its neither to convert u or to say whos rooster is bigger...u shouldnt even feel threatents/insecured when we asked u anything abt christianity. its called, to reach the understanding term to reveal the Truth. n that needs a comperative studies. unless u dont want to know the Truth. still u shouldnt feel threatens when muslims ask the christians. here alot of others non-muslim askd muslim *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:14pm
so ok, Spirit Of Truth to christians is Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit n these two the same? n @beige The Spirit Of Truth Dwelt forever till Last Day Of This World...it dwelt in The Fruit Of Muahammad SAAW btw, n thats what believed by Shia n some Sunni except Wahabi.- see this- http://www.scribd.com/Ahlul-Bayt-Final/d/24734107 *
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gaolach - 28.02.11 - 01:14pm
hypocrite *
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hischild - 28.02.11 - 01:16pm
you test the spirit of any one not just prophets *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:20pm
Sunni believed all human are decendant of Adam except the Prophet Muhammad SAAW decendants are from Muhammad SAAW n from his Tree- The Sacred Tree (Light- Nur Muhammad SAAW) n this, no one can cut off the Nasab even in The Day Of Judgement cuz it is secured by God, where the Day of all Nasab is cut, except the Nasab (the Fruit) Of The Prophet SAAW. *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:22pm
so, simple things i want to know here is, WHO is The Spirit Of Truth according to christians, n WHATS ur belief say abt this Spirit Of Truth. *
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beige1 - 28.02.11 - 01:23pm
That doesn't make sense to me Kek, sorry but i don't believe it.. Afriend, prophets aren't the Spirit of Truth, however the Spirit of Truth does 'enter' them to guide them to give God's msg. There's a big difference. *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:24pm
so, every christians have same answer as what hischild's answer? or is there any one differ in christianity regarding The Spirit Of Truth? *
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beige1 - 28.02.11 - 01:25pm
We have already said. The Holy Spirit / Ghost is the spirit of Truth. *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:26pm
The Prophet's SAAW Family carries this ''Spirit Of Truth'' beige1. till Imam Mahdi (AS). they are the Spiritual Guides Of The Muslims. *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:29pm
only two christian answered that Spirit Of Truth is Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit so far beige1. n thats u n hischild. so go to next Qs of mine pls- How u must believe in this ''Spirit Of Truth''. u cant reject him right? btw Muslims also believed The Quran is Forever. *
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darkstr - 28.02.11 - 01:29pm
@Kek you have to understand the difference btwin spirits and people. Prophets are not spirits, they're humans. Jesus promised to send a spirit, not a human being. Muhammad was a human, not a spirit. *
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afriend - 28.02.11 - 01:30pm
so are u sayin that the spirit of truth only came down in the time of Jesus? *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:31pm
n All Muslims also believed Prophet Muhammad SAAW is Rahmat-ul-lil Aalameen. that also means forever. *
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beige1 - 28.02.11 - 01:31pm
We can't reject the Holy Spirit no. *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:33pm
@darkstr we are all spirits, before we are born to this world. thats what Jesus say abt Muhammad SAAW (The Spirit to Come after he is gone). *
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crazedd - 28.02.11 - 01:36pm
Just like muslims to twist it. When the NT was being compiled by the romans, they wernt planning on islam and prophet poobuh *
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darkstr - 28.02.11 - 01:37pm
According to the christian Bible we're dust. Spirits are God, angels and demons. And we didn't exist as spirits b4 we were born. The creation records that Adam was made from the ground and God simply put breath in him. *
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beige1 - 28.02.11 - 01:37pm
Maybe to Muslims yes. Not to Christians tho. The Bible does not refer to Muhammed n we don't accept him as a prophet. *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:41pm
ok forget abt the Muslim's Part...now just let us know abt the Christian's Part/Belief about/regarding this ''Spirit Of Truth'' anything else u want to say re this beige1? *
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hischild - 28.02.11 - 01:42pm
the HOLY GHOST has always been and in the old testament guided. but did not dwell in anyone with a few exceptions till the upper room. *
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beige1 - 28.02.11 - 01:43pm
I've said what He is. *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:43pm
go on...hischild. tell me more abt the Holy Ghost. *
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afriend - 28.02.11 - 01:43pm
interesting point there- that the NT was compiled by the Romans, a people whom Jesus was not sent for *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:44pm
ok then beige1, it means thats all from u. let hischild tell more, she knows the bible better perhaps. *
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beige1 - 28.02.11 - 01:45pm
Does it now? Let me decide 4 myself as the post goes on ok. *
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darkstr - 28.02.11 - 01:45pm
Sounds less eerie to refer to it as Holy Spirit not a Ghost tho @hischild *
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afriend - 28.02.11 - 01:47pm
how many Holy Spirits ARE there? Jesus had one, John the baptist, and a few disciples ... *
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beige1 - 28.02.11 - 01:48pm
There is 1 Holy Spirit.. A Spirit isn't restrained as a human is. *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:49pm
@hischild the Holy Ghost/Spirit during Jesus's time is still in Spirit right? hasnt been a flesh yet (still in Spirit form) n yet to Come according to Jesus right? n he will bring a Guide to all right? an Everlasting Guide? if it is, that is The Holy Quran. well thats what i see it as. *
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beige1 - 28.02.11 - 01:49pm
God can be everywhere at once.. The Spirit means breath. The Holy Spirit been the breath of God, so to speak. *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:49pm
interesting. @afriend. *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:51pm
@afriend uve got interesting points there. *
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darkstr - 28.02.11 - 01:54pm
In the Christian scriptures there's no indication that the Holy Spirit would come as flesh. In fact in John 14:17 Jesus said ''He shall be IN you''. Its not possible to have a human being in you is it? *
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crazedd - 28.02.11 - 01:55pm
jesus spoke out against the romans probably, got a big following. the romans hanged him and made a huge story to suite their new religion, christianity *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:56pm
@darkster in u or among u perhaps? if u embraced it, ul be saved forever? *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:58pm
anyway i g2g for now, go ahead tell me more abt ''Spirit Of Truth'' in ur belief. all muslims are welcome too re this ''Spirit Of Truth'' btw. *
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beige1 - 28.02.11 - 01:58pm
Read those verses of John that i quoted. As Darkstr said, there was never a mention that the Holy Spirit would be a human. *
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darkstr - 28.02.11 - 01:59pm
n I agree with beige1. A spirit is not affected by physical limitations. The same Holy Spirit was in 120 people at pentecost. The same Holy Spirit that a believer in the U.S has is the same Holy Spirit that I have and is the same Holy Spirit that someone in Australia or Africa has. *
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afriend - 28.02.11 - 02:01pm
its just interesting @ kek. But Jesus said, If i dont go the Holy Ghost will not come. in other words, its another Type of Holy Spirit, a Spirit that was NOT present with them. So what kinda spirit was that then? *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 02:05pm
exactly its an eye opener even to us muslims @afriend. its to embrace ''Quran n Ahlul Bayt'' to be saved n not astray. k g2g. *
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hischild - 28.02.11 - 02:30pm
beige is right HOLY GHOST/SPIRIT is GODS breath. and yes the HOLY GHOS/SPIRIT is still spirit form and always has been *
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hischild - 28.02.11 - 02:35pm
the HOLY GHOST was there, within JESUS. colossians 2:9 *
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may2011 - 28.02.11 - 02:44pm
The Holy Spirit, the third person of the blessed trinity. *
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hischild - 28.02.11 - 02:45pm
but the HOLY GHOST did not need to come as the COMFORTER because JESUS was still on earth *
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smohamed - 28.02.11 - 02:47pm
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levafix - 28.02.11 - 03:41pm
Afriend excuse me, but how the HECK DO YOU READ ANOTHER TYPE OF SPIRIT INTO If i dont go the Holy Spirit wont come? Maybe im brain dead bt that dont mean another Spirit! *
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levafix - 28.02.11 - 03:44pm
Nor are their types of Holy Spirits, There is ONE HOLY SPIRIT, AND ONLY ONE TYPE,no more no less and ITS NOT A HUMAN! *
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wilman - 28.02.11 - 05:06pm
wats wrong bro smo *
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halman - 28.02.11 - 05:22pm
Jesus was refering to the prophecy of Joel in which God's holy spirit is poured out in a special way.If Jesus hadnt accomplished what he did,then the Spirit Of The Truth would not have been poured out.This 'pouring out' is an annointing,to choose those who would be with Jesus in the heavenly spirit realm,as part of the Kingdom of God.-Joel 2:32, Acts 2:3,4,17,18 *
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halman - 28.02.11 - 05:25pm
So,the Spirit Of The Truth was sent in this way, at Pentecost 33 C.E. (a.d.) *
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smohamed - 28.02.11 - 05:58pm
nothing wilman am just perusing the site *
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smohamed - 28.02.11 - 06:02pm
afriend is correct in saying what he said because jesus (as) was already with the spirit so its sacrilege to assume he wasn't and if he goes away then only then the spirit will come *
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smohamed - 28.02.11 - 06:06pm
anyways in John it states Jesus will pray and the Father will send another comforter *
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smohamed - 28.02.11 - 06:13pm
@hischild joel??? *
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levafix - 28.02.11 - 06:46pm
This Comforter is the Holy Spirit, NOT muhamad. John 14vs17 EVEN THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH WHOM THE WORLD CANNOT RECEIVE,BECAUSE IT SEETH HIM NOT,NEITHER KNOWETH HIM BUT YE SHALL KNOW HIM FOR HE DWELLETH WITH YOU AND SHALL BE IN YOU. *
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levafix - 28.02.11 - 06:51pm
Proof its not a man, vs 26 BUT THE COMFORTER WHICH IS THE HOLY GHOST,WHOM THE FATHER WILL SEND IN MY NAME,HE SHALL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS,AND BRING ALL THINGS TO YOUR REMEMBRANCE,WHATSOEVER I HAVE SAID UNTO YOU. *
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ji_dl - 28.02.11 - 07:03pm
bible=spirit of lies *
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hischild - 28.02.11 - 07:15pm
the HOLY GHOST was with JESUS because the HOLY GHOST is GODS breath and in JESUS dwelled all the fullness of the GODHEAD bodily. after JESUS ascension the HOLY GHOST was sent *
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hischild - 28.02.11 - 07:16pm
as the comforter *
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bozzalad - 28.02.11 - 07:16pm
quran = copy of bible made to glorify a vain man *
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hischild - 28.02.11 - 07:20pm
i see a great topic in joel. but it might scare some. so ill leave it be for now *
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hischild - 28.02.11 - 07:22pm
joel 2 is about GOD sending HIS spirit. which is the HOLY GHOST *
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ji_dl - 28.02.11 - 07:31pm
Bible= copy of the torah + lies meant to elevate a mere prophet to God-like status *
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bozzalad - 28.02.11 - 07:35pm
very true ,glad you agree it is all cr*p *
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ghost_9 - 28.02.11 - 07:36pm
Bible + koran + torah = nice bedtime reading which some fancy as the word of a 'god'. *
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beige1 - 28.02.11 - 07:39pm
I wont insult the Quran, i'm not that insecure or unsure abt the Book i believe in to have to sink to that level. *
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bozzalad - 28.02.11 - 07:40pm
well said ghost *
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urvoice2 - 28.02.11 - 07:44pm
And beige *
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ji_dl - 28.02.11 - 07:54pm
yeah, and beige *
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smohamed - 28.02.11 - 08:11pm
lol what's up with the caps levafix... I don't have a bible in front of me but will coment when I have time *
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smohamed - 28.02.11 - 08:13pm
and the bible is not a book of lies *
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urvoice2 - 28.02.11 - 08:20pm
It takes all sorts smo, some rubbish the bible, some the quran. Some say black, some say white. Night, day, right, wrong. It gets them through the day. Peace be with u, as it is with me. *
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.hischild - 28.02.11 - 07:16pm
as the comforter *
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hischild - 28.02.11 - 07:20pm
i see a great topic in joel. but it might scare some. so ill leave it be for now *
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hischild - 28.02.11 - 07:22pm
joel 2 is about GOD sending HIS spirit. which is the HOLY GHOST *
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smohamed - 28.02.11 - 08:11pm
lol what's up with the caps levafix... I don't have a bible in front of me but will coment when I have time *
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levafix - 28.02.11 - 09:44pm
Caps is to show its from the bible. Anyway no matter how you wana twist it, the Holy Spirit aint a man. *
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afriend - 1.03.11 - 08:29am
in that case, the prophecy is still unfulfilled. The only thing the holy ghost did was make a few people speak gibberish *
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halman - 1.03.11 - 09:20am
Incorrect.If you read Acts properly,you'll see the disciples were speaking in all the languages of those who had come far and wide,to the Festival.Certainly not 'jibberish'. *
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wilman - 1.03.11 - 09:39am
i dunt get wat are u talkin bout guys.are u talkin bout paraclete in john 14:16? *
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wilman - 1.03.11 - 09:46am
paracletos consists wiv 2 meaning,shortly from consonants prqlts,those 2 are paracletos n parecletos.if we translate or use parecletos then we will found it refers to Prophet Muhammad SAW.parecletos is also means Ahmad in arabic,nobody was born as the name of Ahmad.but christian we kn0w translate it refers to paracletos,an abstract noun if i aint mistaken.wallahualam *
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hischild - 1.03.11 - 10:29am
its not jibberish. more than a few speak it. and the HOLY GHOST does more than that. *
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afriend - 1.03.11 - 11:20am
relax Hischild, dont get ur knickers in a knot- doesn't matter what language it was- it does not fulfill the prophecy, does it? What are the things that the Comforter or Holy Ghost was supposed to do? *
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afriend - 1.03.11 - 11:23am
yes Wilman- there are 2 translations to the text. One means The Praised One and the other means Comforter *
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bozzalad - 1.03.11 - 11:28am
so neither say muhammad *
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halman - 1.03.11 - 11:57am
Incorrect wilman and afriend,it is not Mohammed, plain and simple. If you want to believe it is,get on with it.You can talk and twist Greek meanings all you like,it still doesnt make it Mohammed.It's like sawing the horns off a goat and claiming it's a sheep. *
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kathie01 - 1.03.11 - 12:01pm
And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Advocate, who will naver leave you. John 14:16. It seem to me that muhammand went back to dust and that the Holy Spirit of God still with us! *
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hischild - 1.03.11 - 12:06pm
i agree with halman. doesnt matter how ya twist it, a man born of man and woman cannot be with you always. that in itself destroys the theory it was muhammed. *
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wilman - 1.03.11 - 12:19pm
thats why i said,if u translated it with PARE means Ahmad,but if PARA means an abstract noun bla bla,then u will make an excuse to the next verse at 17,holy spirit is God himself.how cud then it is God,if It or He does wat God's want.means both of them are 'not equal' *
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wilman - 1.03.11 - 12:20pm
next verse speak bout Gabriel.wallahualam *
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mandain - 1.03.11 - 12:25pm
Kek I'm not the one who is threatened for I never start this type of topics question the Quran, if I did you can then accuse me of it, as for the truth? My truth is not your truth and vice versa, as I said earlier this type of topics is only to secure the pw for you want confirmation not me, cause I don't need it for I already have and know the truth, now don't you? *
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mass786 - 1.03.11 - 12:27pm
gospel of john many things 2 tel tat guide u ucant understand spiritual power having person came n explain u.... it proves after jesus , mohamed spiritual power human explain u *
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mandain - 1.03.11 - 12:27pm
For if you did why would you need understanding terms or comparative studies to reach the truth? Thats an admission you don't know or not sure of the truth, for if you did and were *
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mandain - 1.03.11 - 12:28pm
Content you won't need this comparative study would you? *
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mass786 - 1.03.11 - 12:29pm
mesage which waz revealed 2 prophet MOHAMMED saw is ISLAM in its comprehensive, complete n final form *
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mandain - 1.03.11 - 12:34pm
Plus I have no problem with Muslims seeking verse after verse in the supposedly corrupt bible they don't believe in, for if it makes you happy great, but do remember every time you put up a topic such as this one, the only people you are trying so hard to convince is your self and fellow Muslims convincing that they and your self is not wrong using a so called corrupt bible, now why? Ask your self *
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mandain - 1.03.11 - 12:38pm
And *
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mass786 - 1.03.11 - 12:39pm
we talk wat is true, c*m in light believ in true *
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mandain - 1.03.11 - 12:39pm
And finally religion is personal, how I wish to worship my God had all to do *
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mandain - 1.03.11 - 12:40pm
And finally religion is personal, how I wish to worship my God had all to do with anyone of you *
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wilman - 1.03.11 - 12:40pm
And he saw a chariot with a couple of hor , a chariot of asses, and a chariot of CAMELS; and he hearkened diligently with much heed. (Isaiah 21:7)..very nice verse,isnt it?? *
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wilman - 1.03.11 - 12:42pm
thx islam,and hope i will die in islam aswel.i love u Muhammad SAW *
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mass786 - 1.03.11 - 12:43pm
every living creature hav water scientific aceptable sign of true QURAN *
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mass786 - 1.03.11 - 12:44pm
NARA EK TAKBIR ALLAHUWAKBAR SAY LOUD WE R ONE- *
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mass786 - 1.03.11 - 12:52pm
its not of convince al its duty of muslim if he think he a muslim to aware frm bad things moderism, say talk of truth *
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afriend - 1.03.11 - 01:36pm
what a mess, @ mass! We discussin bout the Holy Ghost here- what are You on about, huh? Stick to the discussion or keep silent man! *
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kekasih - 1.03.11 - 01:47pm
huh? when its me who opens topic asking christians many goes tantrum biasedly? i dont see u have problem when Allah/God is being questioned why mandain? im not the one whos having ur kind of opinion...im open to questions. ur opinion suits u tho cuz i never see u do what u against...my opinion is ok if u want to question Quran/Allah etc...aslong its not the insulting type...u can quote Quran as ma *
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kekasih - 1.03.11 - 01:49pm
as many as u want...too. so, if ur religion is private to u, it may not be private to other n i dont have same ur opinion...k. u see things differently, i see truth differently too. now if u cant answer my question, thats ok...many else can answer here. *
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kekasih - 1.03.11 - 01:51pm
i see here the Spirit Of Truth is not just the Holy Ghost in the bible, it could be the comforter too. so does the two the same? @to anyone that wants to answer. *
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kekasih - 1.03.11 - 01:53pm
didnt the Holy Ghost met Mary? n Jesus always with the Holy Ghost too. now that could only mean the Spirit Of Truth is the Comforter. n its two different spirit now. isnt it? *
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levafix - 1.03.11 - 02:30pm
Kek its clear u didnt read the verses concerning the Holy Spirit. John 14vs 26,read that. If muhamad is the Holy Spirit how could the disciples have known him about 600 years before he was born? Vs 17. *
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kekasih - 1.03.11 - 02:49pm
26But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.// yeah i noticed theres two there the Helper n the Holy Spirit (Angel Gabriel). now whos this Helper? @leva. *
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kekasih - 1.03.11 - 02:52pm
John 14 verse 16 said the Helper is the Spirit of Truth. see? how then u discover this to be the Holy Ghost/Spirit? *
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kekasih - 1.03.11 - 02:53pm
n if u see the previous verse, in John 14 vs 15 said like this- 15If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.//now who keep Jesus's commandments? if not Muhammad SAAW. *
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iilmadme - 1.03.11 - 03:00pm
How do u decide wat Jesus' commandments are,as a muslim? Do u trust wat the Bible sez they were or duz the Quran give info bout wat they were? N if the two are diffrent then why wud this single sentence apply without the rest? *
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kekasih - 1.03.11 - 03:09pm
we believe Jesus come not to change any law of Moses. n we believe he came for the lost sheep of Israel. Jesus also come to bring Prayers n Alms (charity). *
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kekasih - 1.03.11 - 03:09pm
muslims still carries out these Moses law also prayers n alms. *
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.levafix - 1.03.11 - 02:30pm
Kek its clear u didnt read the verses concerning the Holy Spirit. John 14vs 26,read that. If muhamad is the Holy Spirit how could the disciples have known him about 600 years before he was born? Vs 17. *
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kekasih - 1.03.11 - 02:49pm
26But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.// yeah i noticed theres two there the Helper n the Holy Spirit (Angel Gabriel). now whos this Helper? @leva. *
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kekasih - 1.03.11 - 02:52pm
John 14 verse 16 said the Helper is the Spirit of Truth. see? how then u discover this to be the Holy Ghost/Spirit? *
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kekasih - 1.03.11 - 02:53pm
n if u see the previous verse, in John 14 vs 15 said like this- 15If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.//now who keep Jesus's commandments? if not Muhammad SAAW. *
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iilmadme - 1.03.11 - 03:00pm
How do u decide wat Jesus' commandments are,as a muslim? Do u trust wat the Bible sez they were or duz the Quran give info bout wat they were? N if the two are diffrent then why wud this single sentence apply without the rest? *
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kekasih - 1.03.11 - 03:09pm
we believe Jesus come not to change any law of Moses. n we believe he came for the lost sheep of Israel. Jesus also come to bring Prayers n Alms (charity). *
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kekasih - 1.03.11 - 03:09pm
muslims still carries out these Moses law also prayers n alms. *
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kekasih - 1.03.11 - 03:10pm
n ofcuz Prophet Muhammad SAAW will also complete the Law of God. *
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wilman - 1.03.11 - 03:12pm
leva,read isaiah i given.so u mean paul was riding a camel?lol *
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levafix - 1.03.11 - 03:53pm
Kek you just quoted a verse that says the Helper is the Holy Spirit. If you can read the kjv version. As for muhamad keeping the comandments of Jesus, the act of Love on the cross is enough to show he aint following the comandments. Did he also say its ok to LIE under certain cir tances? Stephen couldve lied to save his life but he preferd to die. *
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levafix - 1.03.11 - 04:00pm
No wilman i mean you lonely and looking for someone to drag DOWN to your mentality and beat them with experience. All you can and want to do is discuss Paul. We talking bout the Holy Spirit but you want to talk bout Paul. No one mentioned Paul yet you come try to mock him. Yet dont you get over Paul? You got serious issues. *
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im.joker - 1.03.11 - 05:06pm
spirit of truth is the man who said we can lie under some cir tances ? wow *
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the_air - 1.03.11 - 05:19pm
Talk of a paradox! *
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levafix - 1.03.11 - 05:23pm
If muhamad is the Spirit of truth and the bible says that the Spirit of truth will show us of things to come,how is it that muhamad could not perform miracles? All he claimed was that the quran was HIS greatest miracle. Wheres the prophecies? How can you attribute the title of prophet to him when allah gave him none? *
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levafix - 1.03.11 - 05:35pm
Lets look at what Gods word says, Acts 5vs3.BUT PETER SAID ANANIAS WHY HATH SATAN FILLED THINE HEART TO LIE TO THE HOLY GHOST...Vs9 THEN PETER SAID UNTO HER,HOW IS IT THAT YE HAVE AGREED TOGETHER TO TEMPT THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD? *
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levafix - 1.03.11 - 05:42pm
So here we see a man and his wife lying to the Holy Spirit, first the man, and is accused of lying to the Holy Spirit then the woman accused of lying to the SPIRIT OF GOD. So unless muhamad is a god, the Holy Spirit cant be him as he wasnt born either at the time of Peter, so the couple couldnt have lied to him. *
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levafix - 1.03.11 - 05:52pm
Any muslim going to try and answer the questions? *
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smohamed - 1.03.11 - 05:58pm
yes I WILL. be patient I will answer you when I have time *
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bozzalad - 1.03.11 - 06:49pm
twas all a dream *
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levafix - 1.03.11 - 06:53pm
Ok. *
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levafix - 1.03.11 - 06:55pm
What was a dream? *
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bozzalad - 1.03.11 - 06:57pm
wnc *
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levafix - 1.03.11 - 07:05pm
Whats that? *
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bozzalad - 1.03.11 - 07:07pm
nowt , just wait *
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levafix - 1.03.11 - 07:20pm
Huh? *
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bbw45 - 1.03.11 - 07:29pm
kek asks for christians 2 answer but as usual turns it in2 what her truth is *
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levafix - 1.03.11 - 07:36pm
Lol ja was expected. *
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bbw45 - 1.03.11 - 08:03pm
bump b*mp *
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levafix - 1.03.11 - 09:23pm
According to Acts the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of God is the same, now lets see Gen 1vs2...and the SPIRIT OF GOD moved apon the face of the waters. Was muhamad present at the Creation? Believing muhamad is the Comforter which is the Holy Spirit which is Gods Spirit and using a bit of logic we can see muhamad was there. *
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levafix - 1.03.11 - 09:36pm
1 cor 1 tells us about gifts given by Gods Spirit or according to muslims muhamad. Gifts include healing,miracles,faith,tongues,wisdom and even prophecy. Funny muhamad gives the gift of prophecy and miracles but he couldnt do either. Not one miracles apart from his claim to the quran. Think he must be the only prophet that claims to have quoted Gods words and deemed it as a miracle. *
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kekasih - 2.03.11 - 12:02am
i just think like this, some of u, even if being shown Truth, just wont want to see it as truth. rather be deluded n saying the need to test the spirit but what is there to test if u urself not sure wether the Holy Spirit n the Spirit of The Truth is one. n most of u arent inform of who is Muhammad SAAW Al-Amin, n rather listen to hearsay. Lies is Forbidden n the Prophet never lies...not even to h *
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kekasih - 2.03.11 - 12:04am
not even to his enemies...not even to a ''kid''. n the Prophet SAAW also did alot of other miracles n prophecied alot that happened n happening now. n what about to happen. so make up ur mind in answering, is the holy Spirit in the bible SAME as the Spirit Of Truth? yes no? *
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kekasih - 2.03.11 - 12:08am
if really u want to know the Truth, u wont mind to Read the Quran n u wont mind ur beliefs being questioned. *
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kekasih - 2.03.11 - 12:12am
Prophet Muhammad SAAW is the First being thats been created by Allah SWT n the Last to be sent as The Seal of Prophet. so, yes, he was there all along with Allah SWT in Nur-Form (Spirit) while Allah SWT created Angels, Universe, Men etc... *
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kekasih - 2.03.11 - 12:14am
Only ONE Creator Allah SWT n the rest are HIS creatures...NONE same like Allah SWT n HE got no begotten son nor need to have any. HE is A God. *
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urvoice2 - 2.03.11 - 12:14am
first ? now you're having a laugh *
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urvoice2 - 2.03.11 - 12:17am
so he made muhammad before Adam, before Jesus, before harry hill ? *
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kekasih - 2.03.11 - 12:18am
ok in Islam is like this, n simple, GOD=ALLAH SWT, Holy Spirit=Angel Gabriel, Spirit Of Truth=Prophet Muhammad SAAW. *
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kekasih - 2.03.11 - 12:20am
we dont put partner to ALLAH SWT to Holy Spirit or to The Spirit Of Truth. ALLAH SWT is ONLY Creator, n HE created All Spirits. *
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im.joker - 2.03.11 - 03:47am
there is no partner of god in christianity too i suppose . . . *
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kekasih - 2.03.11 - 03:51am
hows that no partner if u put Jesus as the God also, the Holy Ghost/Spirit also the God, now the Spirit Of Truth/Helper/Paraclete also the God... *
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wilman - 2.03.11 - 03:57am
im.joker 2.03.11 - 03:47am there is no partner of god in christianity too i suppose . . . u really made me laugh now *
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levafix - 2.03.11 - 04:17am
Kek i told you that you yourself quoted a vs which says that the Holy Spirit is the Comforter and i showed that the Holy Spirit and Spirit of God are all the same being! What more do you want? *
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levafix - 2.03.11 - 04:28am
Ok YES KEK THEY ARE THE SAME BEING ALL OF THEM! Howcome the muhamad gives the ability to perform miracles and of prophecy but couldnt do either? Why did he never say that he was at creation or existed for a very long time? *
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kekasih - 2.03.11 - 04:28am
when i quote that, i said these are TWO different being leva. n only Allah SWT is God. the rest (The Holy Ghost/Spirit, Spirit Of Truth/Helper/Paraclete, Jesus, are HIS (ALLAH SWT) creatures. *
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.kekasih - 2.03.11 - 04:31am
@leva ''Quran n Ahlul Bayt (carries the Spirit Of Truth n the Guide till end Time)''' are forever... *
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kekasih - 2.03.11 - 04:33am
Jesus left u to look forward for these ''Spirit Of Truth'' to guide u forever right? Prophet Muhammad SAAW left us to look forward n hold on to ''Quran n Ahlul Bayt'' for all time guide till end of Time, so that none will go astray. the Ahlul Bayt carries this Spirit Of Truth n forever will be wth them till Imam Mahdi come. *
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levafix - 2.03.11 - 04:35am
I find it strange that you say he prophecied and did miracles yet he claimed only the quran. According to your reasoning the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of truth is Gabriel and muhamad. The bible says they the same. Why did your holy spirit come to the spirit of truth and tell him things he shouldve known. No angel came to Jesus to tell him what to say for he is eternal. *
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kekasih - 2.03.11 - 04:39am
Prophet Muhammad SAAW had many miracles but the greatest miracle we take it as The Everlasting Holy Quran. n he did prophecied too many too...u just have to look it in the Holy Quran too to proof that, apart of many hadiths. *
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levafix - 2.03.11 - 04:41am
Jesus said that the Spirit of truth dwelt with his apostles, where was muhamad then? Jesus also said that the Spirit would be with us forever yet you just said mthamad left so i presume he is dead. But then how could an eternal being die? *
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kekasih - 2.03.11 - 04:43am
all Prophets of Allah SWT have this Holy Spirit Gabriel came to them as thats how God's Messages (Books) conveyed to them. n some of them have spoken to God Directly too ie Moses n Muhammad SAAW (during Isra' Mi'raj he even go the closest to God, where even no angels has ever come closest distance to God). this only Prophet Muhammad SAAW speciality btw. none else have ever come this close to God. *
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kekasih - 2.03.11 - 04:44am
except Prophet Muhammad SAAW....not even the Angels of God has this speciality or status. k g2g. *
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levafix - 2.03.11 - 04:49am
You use the bible and the Spirit it speaks of yet it also tells you its all Gods Spirit and you dont want to accept that. We can now see that you make sense ONLY if you use selective reasoning! The vs clearly states the Holy Spirit and the Comforter are the same yet you see them as different. Selective reasoning is the only way you and your quran can make sense and you just proved it. *
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levafix - 2.03.11 - 04:58am
Then you also contradict the vs that you use to support you theory. You said that your spirit of truth shall be with you forever til imam mahdi comes. My dear that is not forever. As for muhamad being the closet to God i dnt think so. Jesus said the he was so close to the Father that the Father was in him. COULD MUHAMAD GET CLOSER THAN THAT? seriously doubt that! *
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wilman - 2.03.11 - 05:02am
leva wat do u mean by saying being closet to God?that's a rude insult huh *
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the_air - 2.03.11 - 05:55am
Think he meant CLOSEST *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 05:58am
the term being forever means the sealing of the law or the law itself....and it signifies the sealing of prophethood..... *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 05:59am
Now you say the Father was in him (jesus) the bible states that every human being God has breathed into it....so your theory of Jesus as being the ONLY one filled is in correct *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 06:04am
seems like levafix forgets that the spirit (holy ghost - gabriel) came to jesus as well in the form of a dove a rushing wind etc.. *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 06:06am
anyways Jesus was a staunch jew and followed the laws of the jews their belief was that the spirit was created one of the stuff created on the first day *
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.smohamed - 2.03.11 - 06:08am
and the spirit's function are the books of the Bible, all of which have been composed under its inspiration... *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 06:10am
Jesus' first experience of the Holy Spirit in the form of a dove was the result of his baptism by John Mt. 3:16 which seems to indicate its association with a certain stage in the spiritual development of man. The Holy Spirit did not descend upon him until he was baptised. The idea of a dove-like form is also met with in the Jewish literature *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 06:10am
the disciples' first experience of the Holy Spirit is a repetition of the old Jewish tradition. As there we find the Spirit coming with a voice of a great rushing *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 06:18am
brb *
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kekasih - 2.03.11 - 06:20am
@leva its u who picks to suit everything as God. now may i ask, how many Gods u have? *
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kekasih - 2.03.11 - 06:21am
i even say in here Holy Ghost is not same wth the Spirit Of Truth. these TWO different beings (creatures). *
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kekasih - 2.03.11 - 06:25am
n the Spirit Of Muhammad SAAW is still ALIVE...forever. n its also in his Fruit forever till end of time. the last Guide being Imam Mahdi, n after that this world is over n comes the Day of Judgement. the Spirit ofcuz lives on forever Eternally cuz Spirit of these people Lives forever. *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 06:51am
The Gospels are full of the stories of the miracles wrought by Jesus Christ and in them, as in nothing else, is thought to lie the argument of his Divinity. Even the central fact in the Christian religion is a miracle: if Jesus did not rise from among the dead the Christian faith and the preaching of Christianity is in vain. Religious duties, normal teachings and spiritual awakening do not occupy *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 06:51am
the place which miracles do in the Gospels. The dead are made to rise from their graves, multitudes of the sick are healed, water is turned into wine, devils are cast out, and many other wonderful deeds are done. Suppose for the sake of argument that this record of Gospels is literally true; what was the effect of this on the lives of those who witnessed these miracles? *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 06:52am
One Gospel tells us that Jesus was followed by multitudes of sick persons who were all healed, another says that many were healed. Now, if either of these statements were true, not a single person should have been left in the land who should not have believed in Jesus. It is inconceivable that those who saw such extraordinary deeds done by Jesus Christ should have rejected him as a liar. *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 06:53am
They saw the sick healed and the dead raised to life and yet they all disbelieved in him as if not a single miracle had been wrought! And how strange that even the great multitudes that were healed do not seem to have been believers in Jesus, though the Gospels tell us that faith was a condition prior to being healed; for if even these multitudes had believed in Jesus he would have had a following *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 06:57am
at the time of his crucifixion far more numerous than he actually had, and sufficiently large to baffle the authorities. *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 06:58am
But what do we find? The following of Jesus is poor, not only as regards number, but also as regards its character. From among the five hundred that followed him he chose twelve who were to sit on twelve thrones, who were to be entrusted with the work after the Master, and these twelve showed a strange weakness of character, the greatest of them, Peter, denying Jesus thrice for fear of being treat *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 06:58am
treated harshly by the enemies, and not even hesitating to curse when he thought that a curse was the only means of escape. *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 07:01am
anyways the poorness of the result attained by Jesus Christ notwithstanding all the stories of miracles becomes the more prominent when compared with the wonderful results attained by the great World Prophet that appeared in Arabia. The Holy Prophet had before him a nation which had never before been guided to truth, among whom no prophet had appeared before him, the attempts at whose reformation *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 07:02am
by both the Jews and the Christians had proved an utter failure. This nation had, both as regards material civilisation and moral calibre, been sunk in the depth of degradation, and for centuries the voice of the reformers had fallen on deaf ears. *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 07:03am
Yet within less than a quarter of a century a wonderful transformation was brought about. The old evils had all disappeared, and ignorance and superstition had given place to love of knowledge and learning. From the disunited elements of a people who did not deserve the name of a nation had sprung up a living and united nation before whose onward march in the world the greatest nations of the worl *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 07:03am
But this material advancement was only the result of an inner change, of a moral and spiritual transformation, the equal of which has not been witnessed in the world. Thus both morally and materially, Muhammad, may peace and the blessings of God be upon him, raised a nation from the depths of degradation to the highest plane of advancement *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 07:03am
As against this, what did Jesus do? He had before him the Jewish nation read in scriptures and practising many virtues at least externally. He also found them living under a civilised government with advantages of a material civilisation to help their progress. In spite of these advantages he was unable to produce the least change in the life of that nation as a whole. *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 07:05am
Then certain of the Scribes and the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas (Matt. 12:38, 39 *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 07:05am
Here we have a plain denial to show any sign except the one sign of Jonas, which is understood by some commentators as meaning the sign of preaching, by others as remaining in the grave (alive of course, as Jonas was) for three days and three nights. If Jesus worked such great wonders, how was it that the Pharisees asked for a sign and how was it that Jesus refused to show any sign. *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 07:06am
In answer to their demand, he ought to have referred to the testimony of the thousands that had been healed; in fact, the masses around him should have silenced the questioners by their evidence. But no such thing happened. *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 07:07am
so the miracles aint so significant afterall levafix. *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 07:23am
john 16:12-14 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now, Howbeit when he the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself, but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you the things to come. He shall glorify me *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 07:23am
this is a bit of a stumbling block for you hey levafix... *
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afriend - 2.03.11 - 09:02am
thats true @ shady Show me a miracle of Abraham, show me a miracle of Israel, or of Moses, or Jesus. . . ? Truth is that all the miracles performed by these Prophets have perished with them. *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 09:03am
slm.. *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 09:07am
is theholy ghost the prince of the world? *
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afriend - 2.03.11 - 09:08am
Although Muhammed (saw) performed countless miracles, which are on record, his only 'claim to fame' is Al-Quran, cos it is a standin, existin, miracle that will abide with the people till the end of time! All miracles of other Prophets dont exist today *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 09:09am
yes i agree but the foundation of religion according to Islam wasnt based on miracles....but one *
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.smohamed - 2.03.11 - 09:10am
brb *
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wilman - 2.03.11 - 09:15am
Holy Quran is the greatest miracle ever *
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afriend - 2.03.11 - 09:16am
wsalaam shady. From the verse u quoted, it can be seen that the Spirit of Truth cannot be a ghost of any sort- it has to be a human bein. *
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gaolach - 2.03.11 - 09:18am
arrogant *
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afriend - 2.03.11 - 09:23am
prince of the world- lets hear what Leva has to say about it *
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levafix - 2.03.11 - 11:36am
Smo if i wanted to hear all that i wouldve bought the book then you wouldnt have wasted your time quoting all that. Still waiting for you to answer me though. *
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the_air - 2.03.11 - 11:41am
The prince of the world in the Bible is Satan. He's also called the god of this world and the god of this evil age. *
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the_air - 2.03.11 - 11:45am
Jesus promised to cast out the prince of the world. ''Now is the judgement of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.'' John 12:31 *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 12:25pm
lol I have answered you to a certain extent... *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 12:28pm
thank you the air....for your definition of prince of this world *
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mandain - 2.03.11 - 12:31pm
smohamed 2.03.11 - 05:03pm But this material advancement was only the result of an inner change, of a moral and spiritual transformation, the equal of which has not been witnessed in the world. Thus both morally and materially, Muhammad, may peace and the blessings of God be upon him, raised a nation from the depths of degradation to the highest plane of advancement , I normally hate to copy and *
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mandain - 2.03.11 - 12:32pm
I normally hate copy and paste but smo if you believe in that statement you pasted, well I hope you've pasted it, then you need to take up on some ancient history lessons *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 12:34pm
well yes i beliwve that statement... *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 12:34pm
believe *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 12:40pm
anyways enlighten me mandain *
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mandain - 2.03.11 - 12:45pm
Go do a search on history of the world during and after the times of Muhammad, and see if you still feel that way *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 12:47pm
i still do remember we speaking about moral, and spiritual and physical upliftment ....and if you think there is a match then please do enlighten me *
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mandain - 2.03.11 - 12:47pm
Both morally and materially the most advanced being the keyword *
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mandain - 2.03.11 - 12:50pm
Aha now spiritual as well, material got dropped? Fine but moral spiritual and physical upliftments are all debatable none are set in stone *
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mandain - 2.03.11 - 12:51pm
So do include all of it *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 12:52pm
I dont think you understand the statement mandain *
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mandain - 2.03.11 - 12:53pm
Then enlighten me *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 12:58pm
key words: material advancement was only the result of an inner change, of a moral and spiritual transformation *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 01:00pm
Thus both morally and materially Muhammad (saw) raised a nation from the depths of degradation to the highest plane of advancement .... *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 01:01pm
so if you think their is a nation that fits this criteria then please enlighten me *
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mandain - 2.03.11 - 01:07pm
What is the definition of a material advancement in this case with Arabia? An after all this advancements what happened to the Arabian peninsula? *
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mandain - 2.03.11 - 01:10pm
So do you think the nation of Muhammad both morally and materially is the most advanced in the world at the time? That is my question *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 01:39pm
well firstly can you name a nation that evolved in a good way because of a moral and spiritual change? *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 01:43pm
anyways material in a sense of muslims contributed to the advancement of maths, sciences etc...establishments of universities and so forth all srpung up because of Islam....in a nutshell *
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levafix - 2.03.11 - 03:34pm
No smo you answerd nothing. Stil waiting *
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